Potential Energy Transfer from a large mass to accelerate a smaller mass upward

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The discussion revolves around the optimal transfer of potential energy from a large mass to accelerate a smaller mass upwards. Participants explore various mechanisms, including levers, gears, and pulleys, while considering the efficiency of energy transfer in different setups. The context includes theoretical and practical applications of mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a combination of levers and gears to transfer energy efficiently from a large mass to a smaller mass, questioning the effectiveness of simple mechanisms like pulleys.
  • Another participant proposes a method involving a triangle setup with slopes and a pulley, claiming it allows for balance and minimal energy transfer to achieve upward motion of the smaller mass.
  • A later reply challenges the effectiveness of the pulley with an inclined plane, stating that it does not adequately transfer energy from the large mass to the smaller mass.
  • One participant mentions a trebuchet as a potential mechanism for energy transfer.
  • Another suggests a stacked ball drop as an alternative method for transferring potential energy.
  • One participant acknowledges errors in their calculations regarding potential energy transfer, indicating a need for correction in their approach.

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Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of various mechanisms for energy transfer, with no consensus reached on a single optimal solution. Some methods are proposed, but their efficacy remains contested.

Contextual Notes

Participants have noted limitations in their proposed methods, such as the conservation of kinetic energy in the large mass and the need for further exploration of energy transfer efficiency.

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Potential Energy Transfer from a large mass to accelerate a small one upwards.
With the potential energy of a large mass (for example 50 kg at 10 meters high) I want to accelerate a smaller mass (5-25 kg) upwards. I see that simple mechanisms like pulleys, levers, and simple gears leave a lot of kinetic energy in the large mass when it reaches the ground.
Is there some clever mechanism that optimally transfers the energy to the small one? Ideally with some combination of levers and/or gears. (Hydraulic or Pneumatic as a last option) How to optimally transfer potential energy from a large mass to accelerate a small one upwards.
 
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Accelerated small mass m has zero speed at the its peak height. To get this final state e.g. the both m and large mass M are at rest ;
1. Connect m and M with rope.
2. Prepare a triangle ABC with surface smooth material so that sin A / sin B = M/m and BC is fixed on the ground.
3. Put m on slope AB, M on slope AC, and the rope on a pulley at A.
M and m balance on the slopes. With infinitesimal energy we can make M down and m up with infinitesimal speed.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
Accelerated small mass m has zero speed at the its peak height. To get this final state e.g. the both m and large mass M are at rest ;
1. Connect m and M with rope.
2. Prepare a triangle ABC with surface smooth material so that sin A / sin B = M/m and BC is fixed on the ground.
3. Put m on slope AB, M on slope AC, and the rope on a pulley at A.
M and m balance on the slopes. With infinitesimal energy we can make M down and m up with infinitesimal speed.
A pulley with an inclined plane? Thanks, but that doesn't work. It's one of many possible examples where the large mass conserves much of its energy at the end of its path (kinetic), without transferring it to the mass that is going up.
 
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Fer137 said:
Is there some clever mechanism that optimally transfers the energy to the small one? Ideally with some combination of levers and/or gears. (Hydraulic or Pneumatic as a last option) How to optimally transfer potential energy from a large mass to accelerate a small one upwards.
Yes, there are some ways that I can think of. But first, is this question for schoolwork? What is it for?
 
Trebuchet
 
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You might be interested in a stacked ball drop:

 
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Fer137 said:
A pulley with an inclined plane? Thanks, but that doesn't work. It's one of many possible examples where the large mass conserves much of its energy at the end of its path (kinetic), without transferring it to the mass that is going up.
After potential energy is transferred from M to m, i.e. M goes down and m goes up, it is rather easy to transfer potential energy of m to its kinetic energy.
 
Thanks everyone. I actually had some errors in the spreadsheet that underestimated the potential energy transfer. Fixed it for now.

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berkeman said:
Welcome to PF.


Yes, there are some ways that I can think of. But first, is this question for schoolwork? What is it for?
Your question rejuvenates me:)
 
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