Potential function for conservative vector fields

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The discussion revolves around finding a potential function for the conservative vector field (y, x, 1). Participants explore the relationships between the components of the vector field and the corresponding partial derivatives of the potential function.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of partial derivatives and the implications of constants of integration. There is confusion regarding the nature of the integration process, particularly the need for functions of multiple variables rather than simple constants.

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Some participants have provided insights into the integration process and the correct form of the potential function. There is ongoing exploration of the assumptions made during integration and differentiation, with no explicit consensus reached on the final form of the potential function.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering functions of multiple variables when integrating and the potential ambiguity in notation used for derivatives. There is also mention of the correct interpretation of the gradient of the potential function in relation to the vector field.

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Task:

Find a potential function for the conservative vector field (y,x,1)

My work:

(Df/Dx, Df/Dy and Df/Dz are the partial derivatives)

Df/Dx=1, Df/Dy=x, Df/Dz=1

I take the first eq. and integrate, so that I get

f(x,y,z) = yx + C

I then derivate with respect to y:

Df/Dy= x + C '

I compare this to the other eq. Df/Dy=x, hence C ' is 0, and consequently C is also 0.

My answer is then

f(x,y,z)=yx

Which is wrong! Correct answer is yx+z. Where do I fail?
 
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Hi,

I'm confused what you're doing. If you're looking for the potential function, you're looking for f such that it's gradient is the vector field you gave. Note also, that when integrating a function g(x,y,z) with respect to one variable say x, you won't just have a constant of integration, but a function dependent on y and z.
 
Glass said:
Hi,

I'm confused what you're doing. If you're looking for the potential function, you're looking for f such that it's gradient is the vector field you gave. Note also, that when integrating a function g(x,y,z) with respect to one variable say x, you won't just have a constant of integration, but a function dependent on y and z.

Since the gradient of f is the vector field, we have that the partials are

Df/Dx=y, Df/Dy=x and Df/Dz=1, right?

I integrate Df/Dx=y with respect to x. This gives: f=yx+C(y,z). Then I derivate this with respect to y and get: Df/Dy=x + C ' (x,y). From before we have that Df/Dy=x, which means that C ' (x,y)= 0 and C(x,y)=0.

Southe potential function is

f(x,y,z)=xy

See what I've done?
 
kasse said:
Since the gradient of f is the vector field, we have that the partials are

Df/Dx=y, Df/Dy=x and Df/Dz=1, right?

I integrate Df/Dx=y with respect to x. This gives: f=yx+C(y,z). Then I derivate this with respect to y and get: Df/Dy=x + C ' (x,y). From before we have that Df/Dy=x, which means that C ' (x,y)= 0 and C(x,y)=0.
Here, C should be a function of y and z. Also, the prime notation is ambiguous, since C is a function of two variables. You should write Df/Dy=x+DC/Dy, which tells us that C is not a function of y (on comparing this with your second equation above). You must then differentiate f with respect to z, which gives Df/Dz=DC/Dz, but from the third equation, this is equal to 1, which says that C=z; hence f=xy+z
 
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Its not a normal integral youre doing, its like a 'partial integral.' I remember this confusing me too.
 
OK, I figured it our.
 
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