Potential inside a hollow sphere

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The discussion revolves around determining the electric potential inside a hollow sphere, given a potential function defined on its surface. The original poster is exploring the application of boundary conditions to a function derived through separation of variables.

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  • Participants discuss the form of the potential function and the implications of boundary conditions. Questions arise regarding the necessity of additional boundary conditions and the behavior of constants in the potential function as certain limits are approached. The use of orthogonality properties of Legendre polynomials is also examined.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing insights about the implications of boundary conditions and the orthogonality of Legendre polynomials. Some have expressed understanding of key concepts, while others are still seeking clarity on specific steps in the process.

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There is a mention of the potential function needing to satisfy specific conditions at the surface of the sphere, and the discussion includes the use of integrals involving Legendre polynomials and trigonometric functions. The original poster's use of LaTeX indicates a desire for precision in mathematical expression.

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I have a problem finding the potential inside a hollow sphere. The problem is formulated as:
"Determine the electric potential inside a hollow sphere of radius a given that the potential on its surface is f(theta)"
I have found a function V(r,theta) through separation of variables and all I have left is to apply the boundary conditions. One is given, but I guess I need another one when my function has two unknown constants. How do I find that second boundary condition?
 
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Your radial solution will be of the form

[tex]f(r) = Ar^n + B/r^{n+1}[/tex]

So, what happens when r goes to 0? What does that tell you about B?

You'll need only one boundary condition for [itex]V(r,\theta)[/itex] as a result. (Although you'll have infinite constants. Use the orthogonality property of Legendre polynomials to calculate them)
 
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So this forces B to equal zero, right? Then my potential function looks like V(r,theta) = A_n r^n P-n(cos(theta)) and I should somehow use that the integral over P_m* P_n equals zero if m is different from n, ok? I just don't know how..?
(Damn, it would be easier if I knew how to use LaTeX) ;)
 
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So this forces B to equal zero, right?
Yeah

Then my potential function looks like V(r,theta) = A_n r^n P-n(cos(theta)) and I should somehow use that the integral over P_m* P_n equals zero if m is different from n, ok?
I just don't know how..?
(Damn, it would be easier if I knew how to use LaTeX) ;)

You've almost got it. Your potential function will be
[tex]V(r,\theta)= \sum_{n=0}^\infty A_n r^n P_n(\cos \theta)[/tex]

and so at r=R

[tex]f(\theta)= \sum_{n=0}^\infty A_n R^n P_n(\cos \theta)[/tex]

(Check out https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=8997", or click the image to see the code)

Since the legendre polynomials are orthogonal, multiply both sides of the above equation by [tex]P_m (\cos \theta) \sin \theta[/tex] (this is important. Do you see why?) and integrate (can you tell me the limits?). So, can you take it from here?
 
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I understand why I should multiply both sides with P_m(cos theta) but not why to include sin theta. The limits should be from 0 to pi, right?
 
I got it now. sin(theta) is for the substitution cos(theta) = x to work out. Then I get an expression for A_m with an integral over P_m(cos theta)f(theta)sin(theta)d(theta). But then what?
 
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I got it now. sin(theta) is for the substitution cos(theta) = x to work out. Then I get an expression for A_m with an integral over P_m(cos theta)f(theta)sin(theta)d(theta). But then what?

Yes. Now, what about the other side of the equation? Remember that your aim is to get the value of [itex]A_n[/itex].

If you found that as an integral, then you're done! You know the solution to the potential at any point in the sphere.
 
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But the correct answer should be
[tex]V(r,\theta) = -\frac{u_0}{3} + \frac{4u_0}{3}(\frac{r}{R})^2P_2(\cos \theta)[/tex].

The given potential at R is
[tex]V(R,\theta) = u_o \cos(2\theta)[/tex].

(I'm using LaTeX!)
 
Since you know [itex]f(\theta)[/itex], evaluate the integral using the orthogonal property!

Where exactly are you stuck at? Can you post that here?
 
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I substituted [tex]\cos \theta = x[/tex] and used the orthogonal property. Then I re-substituted to get the [tex]\theta[/tex]-dependence again and now my expression looks like

[tex]A_m = -\frac{1+2m}{2} a^\textit{-m} \int_{0}^{\pi} P_m(\cos \theta) u_0 cos(2\theta) sin \theta d\theta[/tex]

I don't know where to go from here.
 
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To simplify the integral on the RHS, as I've said before, you're going to need the orthogonal property . Have you tried writing [itex]\cos(2\theta)[/itex] in terms of [itex]P_2(\cos \theta)[/itex]? (Also, [itex]1=P_0(\cos \theta)[/itex])
 
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Hey, I solved it! Thanks a lot! This has really helped me in my understanding of Legendre polynomials.
 

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