Pressure formula and infinitesimal

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the pressure formula in classical physics, specifically the relationship between force, area, and pressure. Participants explore the concept of infinitesimals in calculus as it relates to changes in force and surface area, and how these concepts apply to the definition of pressure.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what quantity the infinitesimal change in force (dF_{\perp}) represents in the context of pressure.
  • Another participant suggests that dF_{\perp} represents the change in force when the area changes.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of constant pressure, where one participant notes that if pressure is constant, then dF_{\perp} must decrease as dS decreases.
  • A participant raises a question about whether force is defined point to point.
  • Another participant clarifies that the force is considered as the total force, indicating that pressure must be integrated over the surface to obtain this total force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of force in relation to pressure and area, with some asserting that pressure is constant while others question the definitions and implications of these concepts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise nature of force and its relationship to pressure in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of force and pressure, as well as the implications of infinitesimal changes in calculus. The discussion does not clarify the mathematical steps involved in integrating pressure over a surface.

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I'm studing classical physics and I'm stuck with the simple pressure formula defined as:

[tex]P=\frac{dF_{\perp }}{dS}[/tex]

Now, i know some calculus and the concept of infinitesimal in physics; however what i don't understand is :

1) according with the fact that in Calculus [tex]dF_{\perp }[/tex] represent an infinitesimal change, it's an infinitesimal change from which quantity ?

2) If we obtain a constant value for the pressure, this means that the [tex]dF_{\perp }[/tex] decreases as i take smaller dS (according with the definition of limit ) . Why the force decreases as the surface decreases ?
 
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Aleoa said:
1) according with the fact that in Calculus [tex]dF_{\perp }[/tex] represent an infinitesimal change, it's an infinitesimal change from which quantity ?

It is the change in the force if you change the area.
2) If we obtain a constant value for the pressure, this means that the [tex]dF_{\perp }[/tex] decreases as i take smaller dS (according with the definition of limit ) . Why the force decreases as the surface decreases ?
Because you have assumed constant pressure. Pressure is force per area. If you have the same pressure but double the area, the force will be twice as large.
 
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But the force is defined point to point ?
 
No, it is the total force. You integrate the pressure over the surface to obtain the total force.
 

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