Pressure in Closed Tank | Is the Author Wrong?

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The discussion centers on the pressure conditions in a closed tank and the implications of atmospheric pressure at two points within the system. Participants question the author's assertion that P1 and P2 equal atmospheric pressure, arguing that the tank is closed and not open to the atmosphere. It is clarified that both points are not sealed and are open to the atmosphere through their filling apertures, allowing for atmospheric pressure to be present. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding how the siphon hose interacts with the tank openings, which are not airtight. Ultimately, the lack of a seal means that the pressures can be considered atmospheric under the given conditions.
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in this question , the author stated that the P1 = P atm , but at point 1 , the gas tank is not open to the atmosphere, it is a closed tank . so , is the author wrong ? again , at point 2 , the tank isn't open to atmosphere, why it is P2= P atm ?

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Why might the two pressures be P atm? Can you think of any reason? How does the small diameter hose reach the liquids?
 
gneill said:
Why might the two pressures be P atm? Can you think of any reason? How does the small diameter hose reach the liquids?
i don't think P1 and P2 = P atm ...
 
foo9008 said:
i don't think P1 and P2 = P atm ...
I understand that. But can you think of any way that they could?
 
gneill said:
I understand that. But can you think of any way that they could?
for P1 = P2 = P atm , the tank is not closed?
 
foo9008 said:
for P1 = P2 = P atm , the tank is not closed?
Correct. How does the hose enter each tank?

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gneill said:
Correct. How does the hose enter each tank?

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at point 1 , it is immersed in the gas tank , while the point 2 is at the hole only , not completely immersed . What are you trying to tell ?
 
foo9008 said:
at point 1 , it is immersed in the gas tank , while the point 2 is at the hole only , not completely immersed . What are you trying to tell ?
I'm pointing out that neither tank is sealed. Both are open to the atmosphere through their filling apertures. The siphon hose does not make an air-tight seal at either opening.
 
gneill said:
I'm pointing out that neither tank is sealed. Both are open to the atmosphere through their filling apertures. The siphon hose does not make an air-tight seal at either opening.
if that is air-tight selaed , then the pressure acting would not be P atm anymore , am i right ?
 
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foo9008 said:
if that is air-tight selaed , then the pressure acting would not be P atm anymore , am i right ?
Sure. It might start out at P atm at the moment a seal was made though.

But there is no seal mentioned in the problem statement. The assumption is that, as in the real-life situation for siphoning gas in this manner, the hose fits loosely through the gas cap opening and down into the liquid.
 
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