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Homework Help: Principle of Energy Conservation for Two Protons?

  1. Sep 24, 2010 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    Two protons (radius 10^-15 m) are headed directly toward each other with
    equal speeds. Use the principle of energy conservation to compute the minimum
    kinetic energy and initial speed each proton must have if they are to
    collide.

    2. Relevant equations
    W = delta K
    W = - delta U
    U1 + K1 = U2 + K2

    3. The attempt at a solution
    I've tried drawing diagram and listing known equations but for some reason, i just can't do this..need some good tips or hints...
     
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  3. Sep 24, 2010 #2

    rock.freak667

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    Well firstly, you would need to consider the collision as elastic, so conservation of momentum would play a role as well.

    Conservation of KE will give one equation and conservation of momentum will give another equation. Form these two equations.
     
  4. Sep 24, 2010 #3
    ok, for conservation of momentum i got:

    mvi1 + mvi2 = mvf1 + mvf2 (vi is initial and vf is final)

    and i am not sure exactly what the conservation of KE is.. is it:

    (1/2 mvi1)^2 + (1/2 mvi2)^2 = (1/2 mvf1)^2 + (1/2 mvf2)^2

    I am not sure what the values of initial and final velocities are.. the question does not say they start out at rest.

    Also, this question is from an Electromagnetism Physics class right before we learned about electric potential.. so I am not sure why the teacher gave us this problem, but I always suffered in Mechanics and was not good at it at all...
     
  5. Sep 24, 2010 #4

    diazona

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    Do you know the formula for electrical potential energy? (not potential, but potential energy)
     
  6. Sep 25, 2010 #5
    yes, the electric potential energy is kqQ / r

    also, for the 2 equations i wrote, i came up with vi = vf.. and I have no idea what to do with this result..since the mass and and initial velocity of each proton is the same, i just kept canceling out variables..

    but I still don't understand how to solve this problem, what do i do with vi = vf?

    i don't understand what i am trying to find: what is "minimum kinetic energy" and initial speed the proton must have to collide?
     
  7. Sep 25, 2010 #6
    OK, i got help from a tutor, and this is how i solved the problem:

    i used the potential energy at collision : U = kq^2 / 2R , where R is the radius of the proton
    and then i set potential energy = kinetic energy of system

    mv^2 = kq^2 / 2R

    and found minimum v = 8.3E6 m/s and minimum KE for each proton = 1/2 mv^2 = 5.8E-14 J

    is this answer and strategy correct?
     
  8. Sep 25, 2010 #7

    diazona

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    Yep, that's the right way to do it.
     
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