Probability distribution of an electron - comparing to Bohr

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The discussion revolves around the probability distribution of an electron in a Hydrogen-like atom, specifically analyzing the wavefunction and its implications for the most probable radius of the electron. The context is rooted in quantum mechanics and the comparison to the Bohr model.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the conditions for maximizing the probability distribution function P(r) and discuss the implications of the results in relation to atomic structure. Questions arise regarding the behavior of the radius as the atomic number Z increases and whether the mathematical derivation aligns with physical expectations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified potential errors in the mathematical approach and are clarifying the implications of their findings. There is an ongoing exploration of how the probability distribution behaves as Z changes, with some guidance provided on the relationship between Z and the electron's most probable radius.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the distinction between the theoretical model and real atomic behavior, questioning assumptions about the relationship between atomic size and the most probable radius derived from the wavefunction.

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Homework Statement



The ground sate of a Hydrogen-like atom is given by the wavefunction:

$$R_{10}(r)= 2\left(\frac{Z}{r_0}\right)^{3/2}e^{Zr/r_0}$$

and the Probability distribution is $$P(r)=4\pi r^2 |R_{10}|^2$$

At what distance is the most probable radius of the electron?

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The Attempt at a Solution



OK, so I want the spot where P(r) is a maximum. That's where the derivative of P(r) = 0.

so, \frac{d}{dr}P(r) = \frac{d}{dr}\left[4\pi r^2 \left(2\left(\frac{Z}{r_0}\right)^{3/2}e^{-Zr/r_0}\right)^2\right]=0

and doing little algebra and taking a derivative

\frac{d}{dr}P(r) = \frac{d}{dr}\left[16\pi r^2\left( \frac{Z}{r_0}\right)^3 ( e^{-2Zr/r_0})\right]=0
\frac{d}{dr}P(r) = \left[16\pi r^2\left( \frac{Z}{r_0}\right)^3 (-2\frac{Z}{r_0}e^{-2Zr/r_0})+32\pi r \left( \frac{Z}{r_0}\right)^3e^{-2Zr/r_0}\right]=0
-32\pi \left( \frac{Z}{r_0}\right)^3 \left[r^2(\frac{Z}{r_0}e^{-2Zr/r_0})+ r e^{-2Zr/r_0}\right]=0

solve for r:

\left[r^2(\frac{Z}{r_0}e^{-2Zr/r_0})+ r e^{-2Zr/r_0}\right]=0
r^2(\frac{Z}{r_0}e^{-2Zr/r_0})=- r e^{-2Zr/r_0}
r^2(\frac{Z}{r_0})=- r
r=- (\frac{r_0}{Z})

My problem is that this seems wrong. I would not expect the radius to get smaller as Z rises. Now, I realize this is for a Hydrogen-like atom and hat does not describe real atoms, and at Z=1 the result is the Bohr radius which is fine, but I want to make sure I am not missing something or making a basic mathematical error. If the idea is to find that the Bohr model doesn't work for anything with Z> 1 that's also fine -- I just wanted to be sure that was what I was seeing.

anyhow, if I did this right -- or wrong -- I'd love to know.
 
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Hello, Emspak.

You made a sign error when factoring out the constants just before "solve for r". Note that you are getting a negative value for r, which can't be right.

It is natural that the most probable r will decrease as Z increases. The attraction of the electron to the nucleus increases as Z increases, thus the probability distribution is "pulled in". The wave function is proportional to ##e^{-Zr/r_0}##. Think about how the graph of this function changes as Z increases.
 
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Thanks a lot- I saw the sign error and it was one of those cases where I wasn't believing the right answer because I kept thinking that since the nucleus of an atom (Bohr like or not) is getting bigger, the Bohr radius would have to go up with it. Bu then I realized that the space the actual nucleus takes up relative to the Bohr radius is tiny.
 
Yes, sounds good.
 

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