Problem on Pressure due to Surface tension

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The discussion centers on the calculation of forces due to surface tension in a balloon, specifically addressing the definitions of longitudinal surface tension (##\sigma_L##) and hoop surface tension (##\sigma_t##). The user initially included factors of four in their calculations, questioning the necessity of these factors given the presence of two surfaces. The consensus is that while surface tension is relevant, the problem fundamentally involves internal stresses in the balloon's material, and consistency in definitions is crucial for accurate ratios. The thermodynamic definition of surface tension is also highlighted as important for understanding the underlying physics.

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Homework Statement
Please see the attached image.
Relevant Equations
##\gamma = \frac F L##
##P = \frac F A##
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The method to solving this is to equate forces along a portion of the balloon through which ##\sigma_L## acts, and another portion through which ##\sigma_t## acts. The former potion should be a circular cross section of the cylinder, while the latter will be a rectangular cross section. You will thus get the following:

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I did exactly the above, except that instead of having ##2\pi r \sigma_L## and ##2x\sigma_t## on the RHS, I had ##4\pi r \sigma_L## and ##4x\sigma_t##. Am I right on this? Because I think that in either case, there are 2 surfaces (inner surface of balloon and outer surface of balloon), resulting in double the force exerted by surface tension.
 
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In the problem they've defined ##\sigma_L## and ##\sigma_t## as forces per unit length of the boundary between two portions in the longitudinal and hoop directions respectively. With that definition there's no factor of 2. Although you're right to be a little skeptical, because there are indeed two surfaces and usually the longitudinal surface tension ##\gamma_L## for instance would be defined such that e.g. ##\pi r^2 P' = 4\pi r \gamma_L##, i.e. with the factor of two included.

The reason for the ambiguity is that it's not really a surface tension problem. It's really instead internal stresses in the rubber holding the thing together (although there is a strong analogy). For actual surface tension problems, ##\gamma## is defined thermodynamically as ##\gamma = \partial E / \partial A## where ##E## is the interface energy between two phases and ##A## is the total area of the interface between those two phases, and it's important to account for all of the interfaces.

Here it doesn't really matter how you define ##\sigma_L## and ##\sigma_t## just so long as you're consistent because at the end you're taking a ratio. So I wouldn't worry about it too much! :smile:
 
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