Product of a Derivative and its Inverse

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the derivatives dθ/dX and dX/dθ for the functions x = r*cos(θ) and y = r*sin(θ), with the aim of simplifying their product. Participants are exploring the relationship between these derivatives and questioning the conditions under which their product equals 1.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the expression for dθ/dX and expresses uncertainty about how it simplifies to 1. They raise questions about the cancellation of terms and the validity of their simplification. Other participants suggest substituting for x and manipulating the expressions to clarify the relationship between sine and cosine.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights and suggestions for manipulation of the expressions. There is a collaborative exploration of the mathematical relationships involved, but no consensus has been reached regarding the simplification process.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the need to consider θ as a function of x and y, which may impose additional constraints on the derivatives being calculated. Participants also note the importance of using parentheses in fractional expressions to avoid misinterpretation.

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Homework Statement



For the functions:

x = r*cos(θ)
y = r*sin(θ)

Calculate dθ/dX * dX/dθ (considering θ as a function of x, y) and simplify.

The Attempt at a Solution



I believe this should always be 1, by definition (as the product of a derivative and its inverse). However, I don't know how to show this.

Solving the first function for θ, I get cos-1(x/r). The derivative of this is a relatively messy expression 1 over the product of r and a square root, and its being multiplied by something relatively simple (-r*sin(θ)). Why is it that this would simplify to 1?

I get that the negatives and the r's will cancel. So it simplifies to:

sin(θ) / √(1 - x2/r2)

But I can't get any further nor am I satisfied that this expression is or is not equal to 1. Thanks in advance.
 
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EconStudent said:

Homework Statement



For the functions:

x = r*cos(θ)
y = r*sin(θ)

Calculate dθ/dX * dX/dθ (considering θ as a function of x, y) and simplify.

The Attempt at a Solution



I believe this should always be 1, by definition (as the product of a derivative and its inverse). However, I don't know how to show this.

Solving the first function for θ, I get cos-1(x/r). The derivative of this is a relatively messy expression 1 over the product of r and a square root, and its being multiplied by something relatively simple (-r*sin(θ)). Why is it that this would simplify to 1?

I get that the negatives and the r's will cancel. So it simplifies to:

sin(θ) / √(1 - x2/r2)

But I can't get any further nor am I satisfied that this expression is or is not equal to 1. Thanks in advance.

Use that x/r=cos(theta). What does that make 1-(x/r)^2?
 
That's so clever, thank you. Substituting for x and squaring the top and bottom, we get sin2/1-cos2 which is just sin2/sin2.
 
EconStudent said:
That's so clever, thank you. Substituting for x and squaring the top and bottom, we get sin2/1-cos2 which is just sin2/sin2.
When you write fractional expressions in a line, and there are multiple terms in the top or bottom, USE PARENTHESES!

What you wrote would be reasonably interpreted as
[tex]\frac{sin^2(x)}{1} -cos^2(x)[/tex]
 

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