Production of transuranic elements in Nature

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The discussion revolves around the production of transuranic elements in nature, specifically questioning whether these elements can be formed naturally in the universe and the reasons behind their absence on Earth. The scope includes theoretical considerations and insights from nuclear astrophysics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how scientists know that transuranic elements cannot be produced naturally in the universe.
  • Another participant suggests that transuranic elements decay too quickly to be found, noting that plutonium is created in supernovae but decays before it can be located on planetary crusts.
  • A different participant argues that transuranic elements likely are produced in the universe but have decayed by the time they would be found on Earth, using technetium as an example of a similar situation.
  • One participant mentions that elements heavier than uranium are produced in the r-process, but highlights the short half-lives and increased probability of spontaneous fission for heavier elements.
  • Another participant points out that synthetic elements can exist in the universe, referencing technetium as an example of an element created by humans before being discovered in nature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether transuranic elements can be produced naturally, with some arguing for their existence in the universe and others asserting that their rapid decay prevents their detection on Earth. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on the definitions of "natural" and "synthetic," and the discussion includes assumptions about the decay rates and production processes of transuranic elements.

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Hello all
Just a simple question that intrigue me recently. Some body could explain about how scientists exactly know that transuranium elements cannot be produced naturally in the Universe?

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I'm not sure this is right, but I THINK that the reason simply is that it decays too quickly. Plutonium IS created in the natural universe (in large supernovae, etc), but it never goes anywhere before it decays - you wouldn't find it in a planet crust, for example.
 
japam said:
Hello all
Just a simple question that intrigue me recently. Some body could explain about how scientists exactly know that transuranium elements cannot be produced naturally in the Universe?

They most probably ARE produced in the universe. We don't find them anymore here on Earth simply because if ever they were here, they would have decayed (half life too short). For instance, Technetium has the same problem, although it is not a transuranium element.
 
I do an nuclear-astrophysics course now, and yes elements heavier than U is produced in the r-process. But as the others has said, thay have very short half life and another factor is spontatneous fission gets more probable as you go up in A.
 
Just because something is 'synthetic' does not necessarily mean it cannot be found in the universe. We created technitium before we discovered it. And we have discovered it, but it is still considered a synthetic element.
 

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