Projectile Motion Problem with thrown ball off roof

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The problem involves a ball thrown from a roof at a certain height, with specific parameters regarding its motion, including time of flight, distance traveled, and angle of impact. The subject area is projectile motion.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply projectile motion equations but expresses confusion regarding the information needed to solve for height and velocity. Some participants question the use of angles and signs in the calculations, suggesting a misunderstanding of the problem setup.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's attempts, providing hints and clarifications about the use of angles and formulas. There is a recognition of potential misunderstandings in the application of equations, and some guidance has been offered regarding the direction of acceleration and the need for careful consideration of angles.

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The original poster indicates a lack of sufficient information and expresses uncertainty about the correct approach to the problem. There are also hints of confusion regarding the definitions of angles in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A ball is thrown leftward from the left edge of the roof, at height h above the ground. The ball hits

the ground 1.50s later, at distance d=25.0m from the building and at angle \theta =60^<br /> <br /> {\circ} with the horizontal. (a) Find h. What are the (b) Magnitude and (c) angle relative to the horizontal

of the velocity at which the ball is thrown? (d) Is the angle above or below the horizontal?

http://lcphr3ak.is-a-geek.com/fig49.png

d=25.0m
\theta=60^{\circ}

The answers in the back are:
a)32.3m
b)21.9\frac{m}{s}
c)40.4^{\circ}
d)below

Homework Equations


x - x_{\circ} = v_{\circ} t - \frac{1}{2} a t^2
v_{\circ x} = v_{\circ} \cos{\theta _{\circ}}
v_{\circ y} = v_{\circ} \sin{\theta _{\circ}}


The Attempt at a Solution



I'm missing an observation here, because I don't see enough information to solve this. This problem is suppose to

be solved with projectile motion. So first I attempt to find v_{fx} (which is the x component

of the vector at \theta): x - x_{\circ} = v_{fx} t - \frac{1}{2} a t^2 which is -25 = <br /> <br /> v_{fx} (1.50). This gives me v_{fx} = -16.667. Using this, I take v_{fx} = v_f \cos{\theta}<br /> <br />, which is: -16.667 = v_f \cos{60}, so v_f = -33.32. Using this, I find v_{fy}<br /> <br /> by taking v_{fy} = v_f \sin{\theta} and doing v_{fy} = (-33.32)\sin{60} so v_{fy} <br /> <br /> = -28.856. So, to find h, we solve for y. y = v_{fy} t - \frac{1}{2} a t^2

becomes y = (-28.856)(1.50) - \frac{1}{2} (9.8) (1.50)^2 which says y = -54.309. Now, the

absolute value of y should be the height, but this is waaaaay off from the answer. I'm practically out of

ideas.

Could anyone explain what I'm doing wrong? If I didn't provide enough info, just let me know and I'll try to

provide more.

Thanks!
 
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Hi coco87! :smile:

(have a theta: θ :wink:)
coco87 said:
… Using this, I take v_{fx} = v_f \cos{\theta}<br /> <br />, which is: -16.667 = v_f \cos{60}, so v_f = -33.32. Using this, I find v_{fy}<br /> <br /> by taking v_{fy} = v_f \sin{\theta} and doing v_{fy} = (-33.32)\sin{60} so v_{fy} <br /> <br /> = -28.856.…

Nooo … θ in your formula is the angle at the roof. not the θ (= 60º) in the diagram! :smile:
 
Take care with the sign of the acceleration.
It is often helpful to write down on your diagram which direction you are taking as positive.
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi coco87! :smile:

(have a theta: θ :wink:)


Nooo … θ in your formula is the angle at the roof. not the θ (= 60º) in the diagram! :smile:


So, I'm either using the wrong formula, or I need to find the initial velocity (or angle)? I don't know of any other formulas (other than v = v_{\circ}+at), and I have no idea how I would even obtain the angle up there. Could you possibly give me a hint? (or another one :wink: )

Thanks for the responce!
 
coco87 said:
So, I'm either using the wrong formula, or I need to find the initial velocity (or angle)? I don't know of any other formulas (other than v = v_{\circ}+at), and I have no idea how I would even obtain the angle up there. Could you possibly give me a hint? (or another one :wink: )

Thanks for the responce!

you can use that formula to find the initial vertical velocity. Then you can work out an angle!
 
disillusion said:
you can use that formula to find the initial vertical velocity. Then you can work out an angle!

What you had said triggered an idea, and after playing around with the equations, I found out that I had misunderstood the Constant Accelloration equations all along.. well, I do now :biggrin:

Thank you guys for your help!
 

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