Projectile Motion (shooting an arrow)

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The problem involves projectile motion, specifically calculating the initial velocity of an arrow shot at an angle of 42 degrees to hit a target 53 meters away, at the same elevation as the shooter. The context includes the use of kinematic equations to analyze the motion in both horizontal and vertical components.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the separation of horizontal and vertical motion components, with some attempting to derive expressions for time and initial velocity using kinematic equations. Questions arise about the correctness of calculated values and potential errors in the teacher's provided answer.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved, with some participants identifying mistakes in calculations. Multiple interpretations of the equations are being discussed, and there is a recognition of differing answers among participants, indicating a lack of consensus on the correct approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of solving the problem with limited information and express uncertainty regarding the accuracy of their calculations compared to the teacher's answer.

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Homework Statement



An arrow is shot at 42 degrees from the horizontal to strike a target that is 53 meters away and at the same elevation as the archer. What is the initial velocity?

Homework Equations


I'm not sure which equation(s) is/are needed so I'll list all the ones I can...
(Vix)=(CosX)
x=(Vix)(t)
(Vxf)=(Vxi)
(-Vi)(SinX) = (Vi)(SinX) + (g)(t)
(-2Vfy)=(g)(t)
(Vfy)^2=(Viy)^2 + 2(g)(y)

g=-9.81 m/s


The Attempt at a Solution


I don't know how to solve it. All the information you are given is theta = 42 and the X distance is 53 m, I don't see how you can use any of those equations to solve for anything with only those two pieces of information.
 
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The only equations you should need are the kinematic equations which are given here:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=110015

The trick with these problems is to treat the two components of motion separately. You know the x component of velocity will be [itex]u_x=u\cos \theta[/itex] (I've used u for initial velocity because v is usually used for final velocity) and I think you've identified that the distance will be given by [itex]s=u_xt[/itex] (where I've used s in place of your x). All you need to do is find an expression for t which is where the vertical motion comes into it.

What can you write for the vertical motion?
 
Vxi=VicosX

X= Vix (t)

so when you plug in numbers and solve for t you get..t= (Vi*Cos42)/(53)then if you substitute that equation for t into

-2Vi(sinX)=gtyou get-2Vi(sin42)=(-9.81)(Vicos42/53)

which equals 9.7

I'm a little worried thought because the answer my teacher gave me was 8.85

is that close enough, maybe a little off because of rounding, or is it just wrong?
 
The equation below is right, so if you want to solve for t, it will be, t=X/Vix not Vix/X
X= Vix (t)

So, there is a mistake in this equation below..
-2Vi(sin42)=(-9.81)(Vicos42/53)
 
As pinkyjoshi points out you have calculated t incorrectly. Even more perplexing is the fact that I get a different answer to your teacher.
 
Thats not good...not good at all.
 
Ok so now you have [itex]t = \frac{s}{ucos \theta}[/itex] and you've subbed it into:

[tex]\frac{2usin \theta}{g} = t[/tex]

If you rearrange in terms of u and plug the numbers in you do get a different value from the one your teacher says is correct. I suspect they've made an error or given the answer to something else etc.
 

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