Proofing Change of Variable Formula for Integration

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around proving the change of variable formula for integration, specifically focusing on the integration of a function over a shifted interval. Participants are exploring the implications of this formula in the context of both Riemann and Lebesgue integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants suggest using substitution to simplify the proof, while others question the validity of this approach due to the limits of integration. There is also discussion about the use of dummy variables and how they relate to the bounds of integration. Additionally, one participant proposes using the definition of the integral as a straightforward method.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being considered. Some participants have provided guidance on the steps needed to prove the formula for simple functions, while others are reflecting on the correctness of their reasoning and the implications of their methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem involves proving the property for simple integrable functions before generalizing to the broader case. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the integrals remain valid under transformations, particularly in the context of measure theory.

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Homework Statement



I need to proof the change of variable formula for integartion
integration of [g(t)]dt on [a+h, b+h] =integration of g(t+h)dt on [ a, b]

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Can't you use a substitution?
 
No, I don't think:

g( t) : [a+h, b+h]
g(t+h) : [a, b].

substitution will give : let x = t+h , then t = x-h which is defferent from the limits we have
 
u = t - h

du = dt

u_2 = (b+h) - h

u_1 = (a+h) - h

u is a dummy variable

The integral becomes

int g(u+h) on [a,b]
 
I don't think this works , since you used two dumy ( u_ 1, u_2) variables to find the limits
and we are supposed to use just one
 
he didnt use dummy variables. u_1 is simply the llower bound of the domain of integration and u_2 is the upper bound...
 
I only used one dummy variable,u.

I have not idea what you mean by I used two.

I used u_2 and u_1 to state the limits of integration.

U_2 is simply the upper limit, u_1 respectively.

Edit
micromass to the rescue XD.
 
I am sorry, You are right.

Thank you
 
I would have to think about it a little more, but my gut instinct is that just using the strait definition of the integral(I assume this is the Riemann integral right?) would be the most strait forward approach since you are just talking about a "linear" translation on the domain.

I don't think that this is the only way to do it but it is the one that my instinct tells me to use.

If I think of something I will let you know.
 
  • #10
In fact it is lebesgue integrable function and this is part of a problem. The problem asked to show this property for simple integrable function over [ a +h, b+h], then proceed to prove the general case.
 
  • #11
Then there are 3 steps you need to do:

1) prove this for simple functions (i.e. sum of indicator functions)
2) by a limit argument, prove this for positive functions
3) prove the general case
 
  • #12
I know this but the problem is how to prove it.
I proved it in the follwoing way:
let f be simple function on [ a+h, b+h]
f(x) = sum( c_i X(E_i+h))
int f(t) over [a+h, b+h] = sum (c_i * m(E_i + h) = sum (c_i * m(E_i)) = sum (c_i * m( E_i -h))
= int f(t+h) over [a,b].

Am I right?
 
  • #13
sbashrawi said:
I know this but the problem is how to prove it.
I proved it in the follwoing way:
let f be simple function on [ a+h, b+h]
f(x) = sum( c_i X(E_i+h))
int f(t) over [a+h, b+h] = sum (c_i * m(E_i + h) = sum (c_i * m(E_i)) = sum (c_i * m( E_i -h))
= int f(t+h) over [a,b].

Am I right?

I like the principle of what you are doing (IE, using the fact that the measure of a subset of reals is invariant under under "linear" shifts). I would check your shift again again(it looks like you shifted by h twice). Also, make sure that it is clear in the context of your class that those integrals are in fact correct. IE you have completely changed your simple function- how do you know that the integrals are really the same? (Likely this is clear in your context- I mention it because my Measure Theory prof was super attentive to detail- not justifying that would have cost me at least 20% of the points for the exercise).
 

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