Propagation sequencing in series circuit?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the propagation of current in a series circuit, particularly in the context of a long-distance DC circuit with a switch and LEDs. Participants explore the timing and mechanics of current flow when a switch is closed, considering factors such as electromagnetic fields and the physical properties of the circuit components.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario involving a mile-long wire connected to a DC power source and questions whether closing the switch results in immediate current flow at the switch, leading to sequential lighting of the LEDs.
  • Another participant notes that while current does not travel very fast in a wire, changes in electromagnetic fields propagate at near light speed, suggesting that local current changes occur rapidly when the switch is closed.
  • A different participant challenges the measurement claims made by Mythbusters, implying that the demonstration may not have been based on accurate electrical principles.
  • Another participant raises a question about the sharpness of the edge when closing a mechanical switch, suggesting that current may flow before full contact is made due to changes in capacitance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanics of current propagation and the validity of the Mythbusters experiment, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the ideal behavior of the circuit components and the nature of current flow that are not fully explored. The discussion also touches on the effects of capacitance and the physical properties of the switch, which may influence the timing of current flow.

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This came up at mythbusters, a question about the propragation of currrent from a switch that is a long distance from a DC power source. Assume the wires are sufficiently large (capcitance wise):

1 mile long wire connected to positive terminal of DC power source at one end, open switch at other end, with DC LEDs in series as part of the wire

1 mile long wire connected to negative terminal of the same DC power source as above at one end, to the same open switch as above at other end, with DC LEDs in series as part of the wire.

Assume that the state of the system has stabilized, and an idealized DC power source. The positive side of the switch has positive potential (insufficient electrons), the negative side of the switch has negative potential (excess electrons). Now close the switch.

Does the potential at the switch result in immediate current flow at the switch, propagating back via both wires to the battery, so that the LEDs light up in sequence at the rate of propagation?
 
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As you might know, the current don't travel very fast in a wire, but the electromagnetic fields around the wire move near light speed. When the fields change in some part of the wire, the local current changes. So the electrons don't move very fast, but the local current changes do. These changes in current propagate just as fast down a wire as the surrounding fields.

Anyway, if the two legs of the loop are isolated from one another, so that their fields don't overlap much, a signal propagates down both wires, originating at the switch, back to the battery.

How did the electrical engineering geniuses at Mythbusters manage to measure when an LED turned on?
 
Phrak said:
How did the electrical engineering geniuses at Mythbusters manage to measure when an LED turned on?
They didn't it was just an abstract exercise.
 
I wonder how sharp an edge one could get out of closing a mechanical switch. Compared to the speed of light, it happens very very slowly. Then, some current will flow before contact, as the capacitance of the switch decrease before the current punctures the dialectric, or whatever it is that happens.
 

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