Protons released from rest in a vacuum.

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves two protons initially at rest and separated by a distance of 0.1 nanometers in a vacuum. The objective is to calculate their relative positions after 10 seconds, considering the forces acting on them as they are released.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for integration due to the changing force with distance and question how to relate position, velocity, and acceleration. There are inquiries about the classical description of protons and their initial conditions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the relationships between position, velocity, and acceleration. Some have provided initial calculations and assumptions, while others are questioning the classical treatment of the protons and the implications of changing distances on force and acceleration.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the protons can be treated classically, and there is a focus on the implications of their initial conditions and the changing nature of the forces involved.

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Homework Statement



If two protons start out at rest relative to each other, separated by 0.1 nanometers in vacuum, and then they are released, calculate their relative positions after 10 seconds.

Homework Equations



F = (kq^2)/r^2 = m*a

The Attempt at a Solution



I am fairly certain this needs to be solved using an integral since the force is constantly changing with the distance between the two protons, but I'm quite confused what it would have respect to. Time perhaps, ranging from 0 to 10 seconds and using a = dv/dt.
 
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First, we are assuming that the protons can be described classically, correct?

Second, what do we know about position (in this case r) and its relation to acceleration (a)?
 
Yes assuming a classically described proton. What is known about position in relation to acceleration is at time t = zero seconds, acceleration is equal to zero. At the instant the protons are released acceleration would be F/m which would be (k*q^2)/(m*r^2) where k = 8.89*10^9, q = 1.602*10^-19, m = 1.673*10^-27, and r = .1nm so a = 8.513*10^27 but as the protons become further apart the value of r increases, reducing F and therefor reduces the acceleration.
 
What I was trying to get at is dr/dt=v and dv/dt=a

Using initial conditions (r(0)=.1nm, v(0)=0, a(0)=kq^2/m(.1nm)^2), and after you have established the correct and useful coordinates, you should get a function of r in terms of a, or vice versa.
 
So using dr/dt=v and dv/dt=a and a=kq^2/mr^2 you could integrate a with respect to t twice to find v and then r in terms of a time t?
 

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