Prove this equation of initial velocity in projectile motion

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The discussion revolves around proving an equation for the initial velocity of a projectile in relation to its horizontal range (R) and maximum height (h). The participants are exploring the relationships between these variables within the context of projectile motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the equations for range and height to derive the initial velocity equation but expresses uncertainty about the acceptability of their method. They also explore squaring the initial velocity equation and rearranging terms but find it unproductive. Questions arise about the elimination of trigonometric functions and the need for hints to progress.

Discussion Status

Some participants question the appropriateness of using the range and height equations as starting points. One participant suggests eliminating time from the equations of motion to derive a single equation, prompting further exploration of the coordinates at maximum height and landing. Another participant claims to have found a solution by using trigonometric identities and substitutions, indicating a potential resolution to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of removing trigonometric functions from the equations and the implications of using certain equations in an exam context. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in the relationships between the variables involved.

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Hi every one

Homework Statement


If (R) is to be the horizontal range of a projectile and (h) its maximum height prove that the initial velocity is:
[tex]\sqrt{(2g(h+\frac{R^2}{16h}))} [\tex]<br /> <br /> <br /> <h2>Homework Equations</h2><br /> <br /> [tex]R=\frac{v_0^2 sin(2\theta)}{g}[\tex]<br /> [tex]h=\frac{v_0^2 sin^2(\theta)}{2g}[\tex]<br /> [tex]v_y = v_0-g t [\tex]<br /> [tex]x=v_0 cos(\theta)\times t [\tex]<br /> [tex]y=v_0 sin(\theta) t-\frac {1}{2}gt^2[\tex]<br /> [tex]v^2=v_0^2-2gy[\tex]<br /> <h2>The Attempt at a Solution</h2><br /> I tried to put the equations of (R and h) in the given equation for initial velocity,and it did work but the problem is i don't think this method is acceptable in exams. And then I tired to start at the end by squaring both sides of the initial velocity equation and then moving ( 2gh) to the other side of the equation, which gives this:<br /> [tex]V_0^2-2gh=\frac {2gR^2}{16h} [\tex] <br /> but this got me nowhere, then i tried to combine the other equations but this attempt was also futile.<br /> <br /> I think that i need to remove the trigonometric functions somehow but i don't know how, and I'm hoping for some hint or something to help me move toward solving this problem.[/tex][/tex][/tex][/tex][/tex][/tex][/tex][/tex]
 
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use /tex instead of \tex.
 
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rawezh said:
Hi every one

Homework Statement


If (R) is to be the horizontal range of a projectile and (h) its maximum height prove that the initial velocity is:
[tex]\sqrt{(2g(h+\frac{R^2}{16h}))}[/tex]


Homework Equations



[tex]R=\frac{v_0^2 sin(2\theta)}{g}[/tex]
[tex]h=\frac{v_0^2 sin^2(\theta)}{2g}[/tex]
[tex]v_y = v_0-g t[/tex]
[tex]x=v_0 cos(\theta)\times t[/tex]
[tex]y=v_0 sin(\theta) t-\frac {1}{2}gt^2[/tex]
[tex]v^2=v_0^2-2gy[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to put the equations of (R and h) in the given equation for initial velocity,and it did work but the problem is i don't think this method is acceptable in exams. And then I tired to start at the end by squaring both sides of the initial velocity equation and then moving ( 2gh) to the other side of the equation, which gives this:
[tex]V_0^2-2gh=\frac {2gR^2}{16h}[/tex]
but this got me nowhere, then i tried to combine the other equations but this attempt was also futile.

I think that i need to remove the trigonometric functions somehow but i don't know how, and I'm hoping for some hint or something to help me move toward solving this problem.
 
I agree that your R and h equations are probably not acceptable starting points.
Your general SUVAT equations are:
[itex]x=v_0 cos(\theta) t[/itex]
[itex]y=v_0 sin(\theta) t-\frac {1}{2}gt^2[/itex]
You don't care about time, so eliminate t to arrive at one equation.
Now consider the co-ordinates at two places: max height and landing. What are x and y at those points? What equations do they give you?
 
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Thank you both
I figured it out, what i had to do was to use the components of [tex]v_0[/tex] to find it's magnitude:
[tex]v_0^2=v_0^2sin^2(\theta)+v_0^2cos^2(\theta)[/tex]
from the equation of h it is clear that: [tex]v_0^2sin^2(\theta)=2gh[/tex]
Next i replaced [tex]sin(2\theta)[/tex] in R equation by [tex]2cos(\theta)sin(\theta)[/tex] then i squared it and replaced [tex]sin^2(\theta)[/tex] by [tex]\frac{2gh}{v_0^2}[/tex]
and then i put it all in place of [tex]v_0^2cos^2(\theta)[/tex] and the equation was proved.
Thanks again
 

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