Proving an ellipse fits Kepler's 1st law

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In summary, the conversation discusses the definition of an ellipse and its relation to two fixed points, known as foci. The conversation also provides a hint to solve the equation for an ellipse, involving drawing a picture and using the cosine rule. The conversation also suggests two possible approaches to solving the equation. The first approach involves using the cosine rule without the relation and then solving for p. The second approach involves setting up a coordinate system and working with the coordinates and the first equation before solving for r and theta.
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Homework Statement


(This isn't coursework, just a revision question)
Exercise: An ellipse can be defined as the locus of all points, P, in the plane such that
[tex]PF_1+PF_2=\frac{2p}{(1-ε^2)}[/tex]
where F1 and F2 are two fixed points, and PF1 is the distance from P to F1 (similarly, P F2).
F1 and F2 are known as the foci. By placing F1 at the origin, and F2 at [tex]x = \frac{-2pε}{(1-ε^2)}[/tex]
show that the ellipse satisfies [tex]r = \frac{p}{(1+εcos(θ- θ_0))}[/tex]

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The example is on page 26 of this pdf http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~ppzap4/PoD.pdf
Hint: Draw a picture and use the cos rule

The Attempt at a Solution


I've assumed that PF1 is r, and therefore PF2 is [tex]\frac{2p}{(1-ε^2)}-r[/tex] and have used the cosine rule to show[tex]r^2 = (\frac{p}{(1+εcos(θ- θ_0))})^2=(\frac{2p}{(1-ε^2)}-r)^2+(\frac{-2pε}{(1-ε^2)})^2+(\frac{2p}{(1-ε^2)}-r)(\frac{-2pε}{(1-ε^2)})cos(θ- θ_0)[/tex]I've tried multiple times but can't seem to rearrange this to prove it is true, can anyone give me a pointer in the right direction.
 
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I would start with the cosine rule without the relation you want to prove, and then see if solving it for p works.
Alternatively, set up a coordinate system and work with those two coordinates and the first equation and go to r and theta later.

Independently of the approach, you can try to find ##\theta_0## first.
 

Related to Proving an ellipse fits Kepler's 1st law

1. What is Kepler's 1st law?

Kepler's 1st law, also known as the law of ellipses, states that the orbit of a planet around the sun is an ellipse with the sun at one of the two foci.

2. How do you prove that an ellipse fits Kepler's 1st law?

To prove that an ellipse fits Kepler's 1st law, we can use mathematical equations and observations of the planet's position and velocity to calculate the shape of its orbit. If the resulting shape is an ellipse with the sun at one of the foci, then the law is upheld.

3. What are the key components of an ellipse?

The key components of an ellipse are its two foci, major axis, minor axis, and eccentricity. The foci are the two points within the ellipse that determine its shape, while the major axis is the longest diameter of the ellipse and the minor axis is the shortest. The eccentricity measures how elongated or circular the ellipse is.

4. Can an ellipse fit Kepler's 1st law perfectly?

No, an ellipse cannot fit Kepler's 1st law perfectly. This is because the law assumes that the sun is at one of the foci, but in reality, the sun is not a perfect point mass and has its own orbit around the center of mass of the solar system.

5. What other factors can affect the shape of an ellipse in orbit?

Aside from the sun's non-point mass and own orbit, other factors that can affect the shape of an ellipse in orbit include the gravitational pull of other celestial bodies, such as other planets or moons, and any external forces acting on the planet, such as thrust from a spacecraft.

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