Proving c in Special Relativity

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The discussion revolves around proving that the speed of light, c, is observed consistently across different frames of reference in the context of special relativity. The original poster describes a scenario involving a starship moving at a speed greater than 0.5c and a phaser blast emitted at an angle. Participants are exploring the implications of this setup and the resulting calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the angular velocities of the phaser blast in both x and y directions and the application of velocity transformation equations. Some question the circularity of using Lorentz transformations to prove the constancy of the speed of light, while others explore the implications of the headlight effect and the perceived angle of light from different frames of reference.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and equations related to the problem. There is a focus on understanding the relationship between the angles and velocities in different frames, and some guidance has been offered regarding the headlight effect and its implications for the observed angle.

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Participants note the need for clarity on the assumptions regarding the light source's emission and the implications of the headlight effect. There is mention of limited resources in the original poster's materials regarding this topic.

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I have a starship moving at a speed v, which is larger than .5c, away from Earth in the x direction. A blast of its phaser banks (assume highly focused light) travels at an angle (phi)'.

From this I need to prove that an astronomer who observes the phaser blast moves at a speed of c, the speed of light.

I have it worked out that the angular velocity of the phaser blast from the starship in the x direction is v'sub(x) = c * cos ((phi)') and in the y direction is v'sub(y) = c * sin((phi)').

Any help would be appreciated!
 
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Okay, I have some more work to the problem. I found that the velocity function in the x direction is vsub(x) = (v'sub(x) + u) / (1 + (u* v'sub(x)/c)) and that works out to be:
(c * cos ((phi)') + u) / ( 1 + u * cos((phi)'))


Now what?
 
kahless2005 said:
I have a starship moving at a speed v, which is larger than .5c, away from Earth in the x direction. A blast of its phaser banks (assume highly focused light) travels at an angle (phi)'.

From this I need to prove that an astronomer who observes the phaser blast moves at a speed of c, the speed of light.

I have it worked out that the angular velocity of the phaser blast from the starship in the x direction is v'sub(x) = c * cos ((phi)') and in the y direction is v'sub(y) = c * sin((phi)').

Any help would be appreciated!
If this is intended as an exercise in using the Lorentz transformations, it is somewhat circular. The Lorentz transformations are based on the principle that the speed of light is c in all inertial frames of reference.

Here you have a light pulse fired from a moving observer, so we know on principle that the speed of light relative to all observers will be c.

What is more interesting is to work out the angle that the phasor pulse will have relative to the Earth observer. It will be less than [itex]\phi[/itex].

AM
 
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Thanks Andrew

Then next step has the phaser banks replaced by a light source.

Now I am assuming that the light source radiates in all directions in the starship's frame of reference. And this I assume denotes grounds for the headlight effect for the astronomer's frame of reference.

The problem now asks me to find [itex]\phi[/itex]naught on Earth.

I already have found the equation:
cos([itex]\phi[/itex]) = (cos([itex]\phi[/itex]')+ u/c) / (1 + (u* cos([itex]\phi[/itex]')/c))

Do I simply solve for [itex]\phi[/itex], or is there some equation for headlight effects? My book and my notes only have a mention of headlight effect, that I can find.
 
kahless2005 said:
Thanks Andrew

Then next step has the phaser banks replaced by a light source.

Now I am assuming that the light source radiates in all directions in the starship's frame of reference. And this I assume denotes grounds for the headlight effect for the astronomer's frame of reference.

The problem now asks me to find [itex]\phi[/itex]naught on Earth.

I already have found the equation:
cos([itex]\phi[/itex]) = (cos([itex]\phi[/itex]')+ u/c) / (1 + (u* cos([itex]\phi[/itex]')/c))

Do I simply solve for [itex]\phi[/itex], or is there some equation for headlight effects? My book and my notes only have a mention of headlight effect, that I can find.
Think of the perceived angle as proportional to the ratio of speed in the y direction to speed in the x direction (accurate only for small angles):

[tex]\phi ' \approx \frac{\frac{dy'}{dt'}}{\frac{dx'}{dt'}}[/tex]

[tex]\phi \approx \frac{\frac{dy}{dt}}{\frac{dx}{dt}}[/tex]

Since dy'/dt' = dy/dt, the ratio of angles is:

[tex]\phi ' / \phi \approx \frac{\frac{dx}{dt}}{\frac{dx'}{dt'}} = \frac{1}{\gamma}[/tex]

AM
 

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