Proving Cartan Subalgebra $\mathbb{K} H$ is Self-Normalizer

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The discussion revolves around proving that the Cartan subalgebra $\mathbb{K} H$ is a self-normalizer within the context of the Lie algebra $\mathfrak{sl}_2$. Participants explore the properties of Cartan subalgebras, their uniqueness, and the implications of the field's characteristic.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to prove that $\mathbb{K} H$ is a self-normalizer, suggesting starting with the definition of the normalizer.
  • Another participant provides a method to calculate the normalizer by setting $X = eE + hH + fF$ and deriving conditions for $e$ and $f$ based on the commutation relations.
  • There is a question about whether $\mathbb{K} H$ is the only Cartan subalgebra in $\mathfrak{sl}_2$ and whether the characteristic of the field affects this.
  • A participant asserts that $\mathbb{K} H$ is indeed the only Cartan subalgebra, contingent on the basis used, and notes that different bases yield different representations.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of the field's characteristic, particularly avoiding characteristic 2, with uncertainty expressed regarding definitions in that case.
  • Participants discuss the reasoning behind choosing $\mathbb{K} H$ as the Cartan subalgebra, outlining that it is a one-dimensional subalgebra and that other one-dimensional choices may exist but are less convenient.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the uniqueness of $\mathbb{K} H$ as a Cartan subalgebra, but there are differing views on the implications of the field's characteristic and the existence of other potential Cartan subalgebras.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and properties of Cartan subalgebras in fields of characteristic 2, indicating a limitation in the discussion's scope.

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Please, How we can solve this:

$$
\mathfrak{h}=\mathbb{K} H \text { is a Cartan subalgebra of } \mathfrak{s l}_2 \text {. }
$$

it is abelian, but how we can prove it is self-normalizer, please:Dear @fresh_42 , if you could help, :heart: 🥹
 
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As always: start with what we have.

The normalizer of ##H\in \mathfrak{sl}(2)## is given as ##\{X\in \mathfrak{sl}(2)\,|\,[X,\mathbb{K}H]\subseteq \mathbb{K}H\}.## Now set ##X=eE+hH+fF## and calculate
$$
[X,H]=[eE+hH+fF,H] \in \mathbb{K}\cdot H
$$
This gives you conditions for ##e## and ##f## and so for the form of ##X.##
 
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fresh_42 said:
As always: start with what we have.

The normalizer of ##H\in \mathfrak{sl}(2)## is given as ##\{X\in \mathfrak{sl}(2)\,|\,[X,\mathbb{K}H]\subseteq \mathbb{K}H\}.## Now set ##X=eE+hH+fF## and calculate
$$
[X,H]=[eE+hH+fF,H] \in \mathbb{K}\cdot H
$$
This gives you conditions for ##e## and ##f## and so for the form of ##X.##
Thank you so much @fresh_42, please, is ##\mathbb{K}{H}## is the only cartan algebra in ##\mathfrak{sl}{2}##, and does the characteristic of the field matter here?
I wonder why we chose ##\mathbb{K}{H}##? Thank you in advance, I have to find other words to thank you, :heart:
 
HDB1 said:
Thank you so much @fresh_42, please, is ##\mathbb{K}{H}## is the only cartan algebra in ##\mathfrak{sl}{2}##,...
Yes. It is the only CSA ( ... according to that basis; a different basis means a different representation. But ##E,H,F## is the standard basis, and ##\mathfrak{K}H## the standard CSA.
HDB1 said:
... and does the characteristic of the field matter here?
I don't think so, but as always: keep away from characteristic ##2##. I'm not quite sure how they are defined over characteristic ##2## fields.

HDB1 said:
I wonder why we chose ##\mathbb{K}{H}##?
##\mathbb{K}H## is only the linear span, hence the entire subalgebra. We do not choose ##H##. The procedure is as follows:

a) ##\mathfrak{sl}(2)## is not nilpotent, so it's no CSA of itself.
b) ##\mathfrak{sl}(2)## posseses no two-dimensional nilpotent subalgebras. Its two-dimensional subalgebras are solvable, but not nilpotent.
c) So any CSA of ##\mathfrak{sl}(2)## has to be one-dimensional.
d) ##\mathfrak{K}\cdot H## is a one-dimensional CSA of ##\mathfrak{sl}(2).##

That's fine since it suffices for all our purposes. You could assume another one-dimensional CSA of ##\mathfrak{sl}(2),## say ##\mathfrak{K}\cdot (eE+fF+hH).## Maybe there is a solution with ##e\neq 0## or ##f\neq 0.## You could calculate whether this is possible or not, but with regard to chapter 15.3, it doesn't really make sense to search for another one if the first one, ##\mathbb{K}\cdot H##, is so convenient. It will be just another basis in the end that has a more complicated multiplication table.
 
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Dear, @fresh_42 , Thank for the clarification, but , please, I could not read the last comment, Thanks in advance, :heart:
 

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