# Prymordial Soup - May I talk to the Chef?

#### Tsu

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Primordial Soup - May I talk to the Chef?

Just a question...

Primordial soup -- Who made it? (or if you prefer - How did it get there?)
EDIT: OK, so I suck at spelling...

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#### FZ+

Well... once upon a time there was this thing called the big bang and...

Basically, evidence is that the primordial soup has always been around - only it took us to recognise it as such. Studies of asteroid belts show such chemicals to be in high concentration, probably due to various reactions driven by solar energy. The processes that formed what we call life basically just used what was available.

#### kat

Primordial soup?
Can I make it in the microwave?!

#### Tsu

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Originally posted by FZ+
Well... once upon a time there was this thing called the big bang and...
How did IT get there?

Basically, evidence is that the primordial soup has always been around - only it took us to recognise it as such. Studies of asteroid belts show such chemicals to be in high concentration, probably due to various reactions driven by solar energy. The processes that formed what we call life basically just used what was available.
OK. But I'm told God has always been around, too, - just like primordial soup. So, how did these chemicals come into being?

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#### Tsu

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Originally posted by kat
Primordial soup?
Can I make it in the microwave?!
Actually, YES! It's called Campbell's Primordial Soup. Just be careful when you open it, as it's very old!

Prymordial soup -- Who made it?
The chef forgot to leave a forwarding address, but I’d still like mine bubbling hot, please.

#### Tsu

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The chef forgot to leave a forwarding address, but I’d still like mine bubbling hot, please.
HEY! That's the ONLY way to serve it!!!

#### Iacchus32

Yes, but does it come with primordial slime? I think I'll have a side order of that too!

#### Tsu

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Originally posted by Iacchus32
Yes, but does it come with primordial slime? I think I'll have a side order of that too!
You can find Cup o' Slime right next to the cans of Campbell's Primordial soup at your local Big Bang Market. Use extreme caution when opening either of these products - as stated before, they are VERY old. I would think that the slime is a bit more volatile than the soup - but, that's just me.

#### Tsu

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OK. This is fun - I could go on and on...

But I guess where I'm going with this is...I've read quite a few of these threads now, and I have yet to see anyone try to find common ground between creation vs evolution. Does it always have to get down to the chicken or the egg thing? Why can't God be involved in the evolutionary process? (I believe he IS.) (At least I think I do!) Why do most creationists just flat refuse to look at that possibility? Are there any out there who will look at this objectively? I find most evolutionists to be much the same. Is there just no way to blend science WITH religion? HELP!

#### Zero

Originally posted by Tsunami
OK. This is fun - I could go on and on...

But I guess where I'm going with this is...I've read quite a few of these threads now, and I have yet to see anyone try to find common ground between creation vs evolution. Does it always have to get down to the chicken or the egg thing? Why can't God be involved in the evolutionary process? (I believe he IS.) (At least I think I do!) Why do most creationists just flat refuse to look at that possibility? Are there any out there who will look at this objectively? I find most evolutionists to be much the same. Is there just no way to blend science WITH religion? HELP!
No, there is no way to blend science and religion, in any real sense. Sorry to disappoint you, but stick around, the veal is great!

#### Tsu

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Originally posted by Zero
No, there is no way to blend science and religion, in any real sense. Sorry to disappoint you, but stick around, the veal is great!
Veal and Primordial Soup (or Can o' Slime) just don't mix. Just like beef and milk. Shouldn't be done.

Anyone else like to try this one?

#### Zero

Originally posted by Tsunami
Veal and Primordial Soup (or Can o' Slime) just don't mix. Just like beef and milk. Shouldn't be done.

Anyone else like to try this one?
Why should they? I'm right, and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong!!

Seriously, religion and science don't mix. You can throw 'God', 'Zeus', or Peewee Herman in there as a 'guiding force' behind evolution, but frankly, I think it makes any god in charge look rather weak, foolish, and incompetent. Evolution exists, and it is sloppy!

#### Tsu

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Originally posted by Zero
Why should they? I'm right, and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong!!

Seriously, religion and science don't mix. You can throw 'God', 'Zeus', or Peewee Herman in there as a 'guiding force' behind evolution, but frankly, I think it makes any god in charge look rather weak, foolish, and incompetent. Evolution exists, and it is sloppy!
Zero, you're SUCH an @$$hole! (don't be offended - it's a term of endearment for me ) I completely agree. Evolution exists and it is sloppy. Now, I KNOW from reading you in other threads that there is no way in HELL I will ever convince you of this , or anything ELSE for that matter (see your first two sentences above), much less get you to even consider the possibilities. So, what...? Do we just pop this into the philosophy forum and let it die a (not so natural) death by debate? I do find it to be a fascinating concept and I can't believe that I'm the only one who feels this way. Just wondered if anyone here did, too. #### Zero Originally posted by Tsunami Zero, you're SUCH an @$$hole! (don't be offended - it's a term of endearment for me )

I completely agree. Evolution exists and it is sloppy. Now, I KNOW from reading you in other threads that there is no way in HELL I will ever convince you of this , or anything ELSE for that matter (see your first two sentences above), much less get you to even consider the possibilities. So, what...? Do we just pop this into the philosophy forum and let it die a (not so natural) death by debate? I do find it to be a fascinating concept and I can't believe that I'm the only one who feels this way. Just wondered if anyone here did, too.
No, I mean, we can talk about it, but it is illogical to include any deity in evolution. We can go around about the fact that no design is inherent, we can debunk the idea that evolution is statistically impossible, or whatever else you want to go for. +

Mostly though, like I said, the whole process is messy but follows what we know of chemistry and biology, no supernatural force necessary. And don't even bother to try to reconcile a specific doctrine to science, like the Christian creation myth, because you'll tie your brain in knots trying to explain away all the contradictions.

#### Bystander

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Originally posted by Tsunami
(snip) --- I do find it to be a fascinating concept and I can't believe that I'm the only one who feels this way. Just wondered if anyone here did, too. [/B]
Belief in the "god of the gaps" is out of style these days --- it's your life, your belief, and you can do what you want to do --- just don't be too surprised when creationists and evolutionists smack you in the face for being "old-fashioned."

The god in the "god of the gaps" is unnecessary and serves no predictive purpose for the scientific side of the debate, and is deemed inadequate for the creationist side to fall on their knees and worship. Sorry 'bout that.

#### Zero

Originally posted by Bystander
Belief in the "god of the gaps" is out of style these days --- it's your life, your belief, and you can do what you want to do --- just don't be too surprised when creationists and evolutionists smack you in the face for being "old-fashioned."

The god in the "god of the gaps" is unnecessary and serves no predictive purpose for the scientific side of the debate, and is deemed inadequate for the creationist side to fall on their knees and worship. Sorry 'bout that.
LOL, alot of 'sorry's going around today!

#### Tsu

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Originally posted by Bystander
Belief in the "god of the gaps" is out of style these days
I've never even heard of this term before! Thank you. I'll run a search on it. Why is it considered so 'old fashioned'?

#### Zero

Originally posted by Tsunami
I've never even heard of this term before! Thank you. I'll run a search on it. Why is it considered so 'old fashioned'?
I think it is because it doesn't do any good for anyone, really. If you assume that anything in a 'gap' in our knowledge was done by a deity, and then later it turns out to have a perfectly naturaistic explanation, your deity just got smaller.

#### Tsu

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Originally posted by Zero
I think it is because it doesn't do any good for anyone, really. If you assume that anything in a 'gap' in our knowledge was done by a deity, and then later it turns out to have a perfectly naturaistic explanation, your deity just got smaller.
I wouldn't look at it as my 'diety' getting smaller, it would be that our understanding is getting larger. I believe he gave us curiosity and intelligence for a reason - and I think he wants us to constantly increase our knowledge of his universe until we finally truly find him. Yes, I'm very idealistic (pie-in-the-sky... blah, blah, blah...) but I'm a lot happier than most people I know!

What does science fill the 'gaps' with? Am I gonna have to come up with some gall dang scientific-method-type test for GOD? Hmm... might be kind of a tough one, huh?

This is giving me a headache. I'm going to bed.
G'nite!

#### Zero

Originally posted by Tsunami
I wouldn't look at it as my 'diety' getting smaller, it would be that our understanding is getting larger. I believe he gave us curiosity and intelligence for a reason - and I think he wants us to constantly increase our knowledge of his universe until we finally truly find him. Yes, I'm very idealistic (pie-in-the-sky... blah, blah, blah...) but I'm a lot happier than most people I know!

What does science fill the 'gaps' with? Am I gonna have to come up with some gall dang scientific-method-type test for GOD? Hmm... might be kind of a tough one, huh?

This is giving me a headache. I'm going to bed.
G'nite!
Science fills the gaps with knowledge, and when lacking knowledge leaves the gap open. And no test can ever prove the existance of a deity.

#### Tsu

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YIKES!!!! ZERO! WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR FACE??!!
Listen, everybody! I just want y'all to know that I did NOT do that to Zero's face! We were just having a friendly little discussion here! I'm not a violent person!! REALLY!!!!

Originally posted by Zero
Science fills the gaps with knowledge, and when lacking knowledge leaves the gap open. And no test can ever prove the existance of a deity.
Good. I believe knowledge is the road to ALL things. But I also believe that, until the 'gaps' are filled - ANYTHING (and I mean ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING) is possible. I believe in the 'psi' of things.
The possibilities are just ENDLESS!! So I guess I'll just have to wait until science gets smart enough to FIND God! Yeah? OK, so I'll be waiting quite a while. That's fine. I'm very patient. (ALRIGHT! SO I'M STILL TRYING TO LEARN PATIENCE!! GET OFF MY BACK!!! )

#### Iacchus32

Originally posted by Tsunami
YIKES!!!! ZERO! WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR FACE??!!
Listen, everybody! I just want y'all to know that I did NOT do that to Zero's face! We were just having a friendly little discussion here! I'm not a violent person!! REALLY!!!!
Looks bloody awful doesn't it?

Maybe it's like one of those religious martyrs or something?

#### Zero

Originally posted by Tsunami
YIKES!!!! ZERO! WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR FACE??!!
Listen, everybody! I just want y'all to know that I did NOT do that to Zero's face! We were just having a friendly little discussion here! I'm not a violent person!! REALLY!!!!

Good. I believe knowledge is the road to ALL things. But I also believe that, until the 'gaps' are filled - ANYTHING (and I mean ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING) is possible. I believe in the 'psi' of things.
The possibilities are just ENDLESS!! So I guess I'll just have to wait until science gets smart enough to FIND God! Yeah? OK, so I'll be waiting quite a while. That's fine. I'm very patient. (ALRIGHT! SO I'M STILL TRYING TO LEARN PATIENCE!! GET OFF MY BACK!!! )
The 'possibilities' may be endless, but the 'probabilities' are rather limited. The universe could have been created by a titmouse, within a ping-pong ball. It is possible, but not bloody likely!

#### Iacchus32

Originally posted by Zero
The 'possibilities' may be endless, but the 'probabilities' are rather limited. The universe could have been created by a titmouse, within a ping-pong ball. It is possible, but not bloody likely!
Yes, but have you considered the universe from the standpoint of a titmouse, or a pin-pong ball? Both of which are universes unto themselves! How do you know that the universe wasn't expressly created for their purposes, and that ours is merely subsidiary?

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