Pulse Skipping - Calculating Frequency Limits

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The discussion focuses on designing a switching regulator circuit using the LT3507 to achieve three voltage rails: 5V, 3.3V, and 1.8V, with an initial emphasis on the 1.8V output. The user calculates the upper frequency limits fmax1 and fmax2, finding that fmax1 equals the chosen switching frequency of 450kHz. This result indicates that the minimum duty cycle is exceeded, leading to pulse-skipping behavior, which can increase output ripple and stress the switch transistor. The user also considers alternative configurations, such as using separate buck regulators for each voltage rail to manage thermal performance.

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I'm trying to design my first switching regulator circuit. I require three voltage rails, 5V, 3.3V and 1.8V. But to get started, I'm just focusing on 1.8V. I've decided to use the LT3507 as it seems to be commonly available here. It also has 3 buck regulator outputs, so it's a one-chip solution for me.

http://www.linear.com/docs/Datasheet/3507fa.pdf

However, as I'm new to this, I struggling a bit with calculating the upper frequency limits fmax1 and fmax2. Please see page 10 for the formulas used to derive fmax1 and fmax2. For them, I need to determine Vin(ps), Vout (=1.8V), Vf(=0.4V), Vsw(=0.3V) and I need to know ton(min) which is 130ns, as given in the datasheet.

OK, to determine Vin(ps) seems easy enough. I just need DC(min) which is

t_{ON(MIN)} \times f_{sw} = 130ns \times 450kHz = 0.0585

I assume fsw is the switching frequency I'll work at. Let's take 450kHz as an example. If that's the case, then DC(min) is just 0.0585. The expression for Vin(ps) is:

\frac{V_{out} + Vf}{DC_{min}} - V_{f} + V_{SW} = \frac{1.8 + 0.4}{0.0585} - 0.4 + 0.3 = 37.506V

If I understand Pulse-Skipping correctly, if I exceed the above voltage then pulse-skipping will kick into make sure the output voltage doesn't exceed 1.8V.

To compute fmax1, I subs. the above into:

\frac{V_{out} + V_{f}}{V_{IN(PS)} - V_{SW} + V_{F}} \times \frac{1}{t_{on(min)}}= \frac{1.8 + 0.4}{37.5 - 0.3 + 0.4} \times \frac{1}{130ns} = 450kHz

No matter what I do, my fmax1 always computes to be equal to fsw that I chose above. Why is this? I've used Excel and I've done it on paper and I get the same result.

I feel like I'm missing something basic and I would really appreciate some help with this. I don't really have a co-worker that I could ask and so the web is the only place I can ask. Googling this doesn't seem to return much.

If the above result is correct, then what does it imply? The datasheet states

fMAX1 is the frequency at which the minimum duty cycle is exceeded. The regulator will skip ON pulses in order to reduce the overall duty cycle at frequencies above fMAX1. It will continue to regulate but with increased inductor current and greatly increased output ripple. The increased peak inductor current in pulse-skipping will also stress the switch transistor at high voltages and high switching frequency. If the LT3507 is allowed to pulse-skip and the input voltage is greater than 20V, then the switching frequency must be kept below 1.1MHz to prevent damage to the LT3507.
 
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Regulating 37V down to 1.8V in one step is a bit much. That's why you are getting such a small duty cycle (5%).

What is the input voltage to your circuit? What will the current drain be for each of the rails? It would probably be better to do a single buck regulator for the 5V rail, and then use a linear LDO for the 3.3V. Depending on the current required for the 1.8V, you could either do a linear off of 5V or 3.3V, or do a buck regulator off of the 5V rail.
 
Thanks! Sorry about the late reply - I didn't notice anyone replied.

The input voltage is just 7V. Actually, I can make it anything I want as it's in my hands, so I'm going with 7V. The 5V and 3.3V rail have the highest current requirement (0.5A and 1A respectively). My initial estimates suggest this would make linear reg. too hot without a heat-sink, but with one it may be manageable.

The other solution I came up with is that I ought to instead use 3 buck regulators instead of a single IC. With enough speed, the inductor and caps ought to be small enough.
 

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