QED Path Integrals: Weinberg QFT Book Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the treatment of Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) using path integrals as presented in Steven Weinberg's Quantum Field Theory (QFT) book. Participants are particularly focused on the integration of adjoint Dirac spinors and the implications of this process in the context of the spinor path integral formulation.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how Weinberg integrates out the adjoint Dirac spinor in the path integral formulation of QED.
  • Another participant suggests looking at specific pages in the book for clarification, indicating that they may be able to provide additional help.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the absence of certain terms in the integral measure when transitioning from the general formulation to the specific case of QED, despite having reviewed the relevant chapter.
  • One participant provides a detailed example involving the photon propagator and references specific equations from the text, attempting to clarify the integration process over fermion fields.
  • Another participant acknowledges the proficiency of the previous contributor but reiterates their confusion about the integration of momenta versus positions of fermion fields, suggesting a potential Lagrangian interpretation.
  • A participant mentions a specific section in Volume 2 of Weinberg's book that also lacks adjoint spinor terms, expressing concern about their understanding of the material.
  • One participant seeks confirmation on whether Weinberg addresses the disappearance of adjoint spinors in his explanations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding Weinberg's treatment of adjoint Dirac spinors in path integrals. There is no consensus on the reasoning behind the integration process or the implications of the missing terms, indicating ongoing uncertainty and debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants note specific equations and sections in Weinberg's text that may contain relevant information, but there are unresolved questions about the integration process and the treatment of adjoint spinors, which may depend on the definitions and assumptions made in the text.

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Does anyone understand how weinberg in his QFT book does QED via path integrals: specifically, how does he integrate out the adjoint dirac spinor?
 
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look at pages 411 and 412, if that doesn't answer you maybe, I can try to help you a little more
 
I have gone through the entire chapter, but nothing seems to help me. In the development of the spinor path integral, Weinberg requires d \psi^dagger (d p_m as he calls in the general formulation) in the integral measure, but, when he does QED, this does not appear in the integral measure. If I can understand this, I will be ready for Vol. 2. I just can't wait.
 
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I'll give you an example look at equation (9.617) he didn't write them out for notation purposes, but there in there.

Example: Say to the one loop order I wanted to calculate the photon propagator/ ignoring renormalization terms in the Feynman gauge. Using equation (9.617) I'd have an integral like


<br /> \begin{gathered}<br /> - i\Delta _{\mu \tau } \left( {x,y} \right) = \left\langle {T\{ A_\mu (x)A_\tau (y)} \right\rangle = \hfill \\<br /> \frac{{\int {\left[ {\prod\limits_{z,m} {dq_m \left( z \right)} } \right]\left[ {\prod\limits_{z,m} {dp_m \left( z \right)} } \right]\left[ {\prod\limits_{z,m} {da_m (z)} } \right]} a_\mu (x)a_\tau (y)\exp \left( {i[ - \frac{1}<br /> {2}\int {d^4 zd^4 wa^\xi (z)a^\zeta (w)D_{z\xi ,w\zeta } - \sum\limits_{r,s} {p_r } } (z)q_s (w)K_{rz,sw} ]} \right)}}<br /> {{\int {\left[ {\prod\limits_{z,m} {dq_m \left( z \right)} } \right]\left[ {\prod\limits_{z,m} {dp_m \left( z \right)} } \right]\left[ {\prod\limits_{z,m} {da_m (z)} } \right]} \exp \left( {i[ - \frac{1}<br /> {2}\int {d^4 zd^4 wa^\xi (z)a^\zeta (w)D_{z\xi ,w\zeta } - \sum\limits_{r,s} {p_r } } (z)q_s (w)K_{rz,sw} ]} \right)}} \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered} <br />

where

q_m (x) = \psi _m (x)

<br /> p_m (x) = - [\bar \psi (x)\gamma ^0 ]_m <br />

<br /> K_{mx,ny} = \left( {\gamma ^0 \left( {\gamma ^\mu \frac{\partial }<br /> {{\partial x^\mu }} + m + ie\gamma ^\tau A_\tau (x)\delta ^4 (x - y) - i\varepsilon )} \right)} \right)<br /> and

<br /> D_{x\mu ,y\nu } = \left[ {\eta _{\mu \nu } \frac{{\partial ^2 }}<br /> {{\partial x^\rho \partial x_\rho }}\delta ^4 (x - y) + i\varepsilon } \right]<br />

Now, try to follow what Weinberg does on page 412. I'm going to integrate over the positions and momentums of the fermion fields at same time, and the field independent determinants will cancel out in the ratio leaving me with

<br /> - i\Delta _{\mu x,\tau y} = \left\langle {T\{ A_\mu (x)A_\tau (y)} \right\rangle = \frac{{\int {\prod\limits_{z,m} {da_m (z)a_\mu (x)a_\tau (y)\exp \left( {i - \frac{1}<br /> {2}\int {d^4 zd^4 wa^\xi (z)a^\zeta (w)D_{z\xi ,w\zeta } } } \right)\exp \left( {\sum\limits_{n = 1}^\infty {\frac{{( - 1)^{n + 1} }}<br /> {n}} Tr(F^{ - 1} G)^n } \right)} } }}<br /> {{\int {\prod\limits_{z,m} {da_m (z)\exp \left( {i - \frac{1}<br /> {2}\int {d^4 zd^4 wa^\xi (z)a^\zeta (w)D_{z\xi ,w\zeta } } } \right)\exp \left( {\sum\limits_{n = 1}^\infty {\frac{{( - 1)^{n + 1} }}<br /> {n}} Tr(F^{ - 1} G)^n } \right)} } }}<br />

where
<br /> F^{ - 1} (x,y) = \int {\frac{{d^4 k}}<br /> {{(2\pi )^4 }}} \frac{{ - \gamma ^0 }}<br /> {{i\gamma ^\mu k_\mu + m - i\varepsilon }}e^{ik \cdot (x - y)} <br />


and

<br /> G(x,y) = ie\gamma ^0 \gamma ^\mu a_\mu (x)\delta ^4 (x - y)<br />

Now I said I was only going to do this to one loop order, so I'll neglect all terms n>2 in my
sum in my exponent. I also don't have to worry about the n=1 term since it is tadpole and would break the symmetry of charge conjugation if I included it so I'll let you solve to one loop order, but you should get equation (11.2.1)
 
Wow, you are much more proficient in this than I am. But, I think my questions remains...mind you, I don't have any problems with his conclusions.

As you pointed out, you integrated the positions and momentums of the fermion fields at same time. Weinberg just integrates out the momenta, leaving behind only the position spinor. Thats what I am having a problem with. He does this again in Volume 2. I thought he just left it out for notational compactness, but when I e-mailed him, he replied saying that its doable.

I am thinking that this is some type of Lagrangian version for the spinor path integral. Any help will be much appreciated.
 
Hmm, I've never seen them integrated one at a time, and I've never tried it. What part of volume II are you talking about chapter 17?
 
Last line of page 17, volume 2. Also the measure in 15.4.16 does not have any adjoint spinor terms. I am just afraid to move on (since I am studying QFT by myself). Not sure why Weinberg does this consistently. If I understand it for the simple case of QED (I haven't yet started Vol. 2), I am sure that I could extend the notion.
 
Am I thinking correctly? Does Weinberg explain the disappearence of the adjoint spinors?
 

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