QM approximation (electron within nucleus, Griffiths 4.45b

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The discussion focuses on calculating the probability of finding an electron in the nucleus of a hydrogen atom using quantum mechanics. The initial calculation yields a probability expression, but participants express difficulty in expanding this result as a power series. The key point is to utilize the Taylor expansion for the exponential function to simplify the probability expression. Participants clarify the correct form of the Taylor series and discuss how to eliminate lower-order terms to isolate the cubic term. The conversation emphasizes the importance of careful approximation techniques in quantum mechanics.
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Homework Statement


What is the probability that an electron in the ground state of hydrogen will be found inside the nucleus?

a) First calculate the exact answer, assuming the wave function \psi(r,\theta,\phi) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{\pi a^3}} e^{-r/a} is correct all the way down to r=0. Let b be the radius of the nucleus

b) Expand your result as a power series in the small number \epsilon = 2b/a and show that the lowest-order term is the cubic: P \approx (4/3)(b/a)^3. This should be a suitable appoximation, provided that b << a, which it is.

The Attempt at a Solution


Using partial integration a few times, I've gotten an answer for a) which I think is sufficient in order to solve b). P (r&lt;b) = 1-e^{-2b/a}(2b^2/a^2 + 2b/a + 1).

However, I'm completely lost on b). I'm looking for pointers here on how to even attack the problem. I can rewrite P so that I get P = 1 - e^{-\epsilon}(\epsilon/2 + \epsilon + 1) but from there I'm stumped. I think the problem is that I've mostly forgotten how to do Taylor expansion, and a quick lookup does not help me in attacking this specific problem.
 
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Hi Saraphim! :smile:
Saraphim said:
… show that the lowest-order term is the cubic: P \approx (4/3)(b/a)^3

P (r&lt;b) = 1-e^{-2b/a}(2b^2/a^2 + 2b/a + 1).

use the definition of ex (which is also its taylor series) …

ex = 1 + x + x2/2 + x3/6 + …​

then P = 1 - e-2ε(1 + 2ε + 2ε2)

= 1 - (1 - 2ε + 4e2/2 - 8ε3/6 + …)(1 + 2ε + 2ε2)

= … ? :smile:
 
Thanks for your response! I have a few problems, still. First, I feel the Taylor expansion should be 1 - \epsilon + \epsilon^2/2 - \epsilon^3/6 +\ .... Isn't that right?

Second, I feel that I should be able to realize that the terms lower than the cubic somehow get canceled out, but I really don't see it. :(
 
Good morning! :smile:
Saraphim said:
Thanks for your response! I have a few problems, still. First, I feel the Taylor expansion should be 1 - \epsilon + \epsilon^2/2 - \epsilon^3/6 +\ .... Isn't that right?

that would be correct for e

the question gives you e-2ε :wink:
Second, I feel that I should be able to realize that the terms lower than the cubic somehow get canceled out, but I really don't see it. :(

should cancel out now! :smile:
 
But how is that so? In the unexpanded P without substituting in \epsilon = 2b/a, I have e^{-2b/a}.
 
oh, I'm sorry, i was using ε = b/a :redface:

with ε = 2b/a,

then P = 1 - e(1 + ε + ε2/2)

= 1 - (1 - ε + e2/2 - ε3/6 + …)(1 + ε + ε2/2) :smile:
 
I think I understood what I was missing. I needed to set all terms in the product with exponents higher or equal to 4 to zero. Approximation is not my string suite. Thanks for the help!
 
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