Quantum Entanglement - proven?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of quantum entanglement, addressing questions about its maximum distance applicability, experimental validation, and the implications of non-locality. Participants explore theoretical and experimental aspects of entanglement, including its foundational role in quantum mechanics and its potential for superluminal communication.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Ward inquires about the maximum distance for quantum entanglement and whether it has been proven or tested.
  • One participant asserts there is no maximum distance for entangled particles and claims that entanglement is actively used in laboratory experiments.
  • Another participant provides a reference to an experimental demonstration of entanglement over a distance of 144 km.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the existence of unresolved loopholes in experiments related to entanglement, suggesting that while entanglement may exist, local reality cannot be entirely ruled out.
  • A different perspective argues that if non-local effects observed in experiments propagate at finite speed, it could lead to superluminal communication, referencing a new hidden influence inequality.
  • One participant distinguishes between "proven" in the context of quantum mechanics predictions and the stricter notion of proving non-locality, emphasizing the need for precise statistical measures in the latter case.
  • Bill presents an argument that quantum mechanics uniquely allows for entanglement and continuous transformations between pure states, contrasting it with standard probability theory.
  • Another participant expresses a preference for a paper that critiques the notion of quantum mechanics as merely a probability theory, suggesting it offers a more balanced perspective.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the implications of entanglement and the interpretation of experimental results. There is no consensus on the existence of a maximum distance for entanglement or the interpretation of non-locality.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that existing experiments have not closed all loopholes simultaneously, which may affect interpretations of the results. The discussion also highlights the complexity of defining "proven" in different contexts within quantum mechanics.

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Hi,

I have some general questions on Quantum Entanglement?

1. Is there a maximum distance between the two objects before it does not work?
2. Has it actually been proven/tested? If so can anybody provide some further information on this?

Thanks,

Ward
 
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Ward said:
1. Is there a maximum distance between the two objects before it does not work?
No!

Ward said:
2. Has it actually been proven/tested? If so can anybody provide some further information on this?
Yes. Its being used in laboratories for testing different things.

Take a look at here.
 
Remember all experiments to date haven't closed all the loopholes in one experiment; rather they have been closed in separate experiments (leaving open one or two of the other loopholes). Although I believe entanglement (non-local reality) does truly exist, these loopholes leave open the possibility of local reality - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loopholes_in_Bell_test_experiments
 
Ward said:
Is there a maximum distance between the two objects before it does not work?
Not only is there no maximum distance but it has been argued that barring loopholes, if the non-local effects observed in Bell-type experiments propagate at any finite speed, then non-locality could be exploited for superluminal communication:
The new hidden influence inequality shows that the get-out won't work when it comes to quantum predictions. To derive their inequality, which sets up a measurement of entanglement between four particles, the researchers considered what behaviours are possible for four particles that are connected by influences that stay hidden and that travel at some arbitrary finite speed. Mathematically (and mind-bogglingly), these constraints define an 80-dimensional object. The testable hidden influence inequality is the boundary of the shadow this 80-dimensional shape casts in 44 dimensions. The researchers showed that quantum predictions can lie outside this boundary, which means they are going against one of the assumptions. Outside the boundary, either the influences can't stay hidden, or they must have infinite speed.
Quantum non-locality based on finite-speed causal influences leads to superluminal signalling
http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v8/n12/full/nphys2460.html
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.3795v1.pdf
 
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StevieTNZ said:
Remember all experiments to date haven't closed all the loopholes in one experiment; rather they have been closed in separate experiments (leaving open one or two of the other loopholes). Although I believe entanglement (non-local reality) does truly exist, these loopholes leave open the possibility of local reality - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loopholes_in_Bell_test_experiments

I think of it a bit differently, using "proven" in two different senses. I would say that entanglement as a prediction of quantum mechanics has been "proven" in the same sense as the frame invariance of the speed of light as a prediction of relativistic quantum electrodynamics has been "proven". Here "proven" means that non-trivial predictions of the theory have been tested, and the theory has successfully predicted all results to date. "Proven" does not mean that the theory will not be falsified by future observations. The Bell tests are the most spectacular examples of entanglement, but things like the superconducting ground state and the fractional quantum hall state are also examples of entanglement.

Nonlocality, on the other hand is about accounting for experimental results independently of quantum mechanics, taking into account all possible theories beyond quantum mechanics. The spirit here is different and stricter, because the Bell inequalities are derived independently of quantum mechanics. Because I feel that here one should use a stricter notion of "proven", I would say nonlocality can never be proven, so here one typically tries to be precise by stating a null hypothesis, and stating p values.

Here's a talk by Subir Sachdev about current research on entanglement in high temperature superconductivity.
 
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Ward said:
Has it actually been proven/tested? If so can anybody provide some further information on this?

You have got some interesting answers here.

However I have got a slightly different take:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/0911.0695v1.pdf

Basically if you want to model physical processes probabilistically you have two choices - standard probability theory and QM.

What separates the two is one allows entanglement and the other doesn't - only QM allows entanglement. The other thing is only QM allows continuous transformations between pure states which is really required for physical processes. If a transformation can be applied for a second it can be applied for half a second an so on. So it turns out if you want this very reasonable requirement, and its hard to see how it can be done without, then you get entanglement.

Thanks
Bill
 
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bhobba said:
However I have got a slightly different take:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/0911.0695v1.pdf
This one seems better than the previous papers where QM was merely a kind of probability theory!
The idea of pushing QM to become only a mathematical theory applied to the universe is too bold to be successful (also I don't like it:D), but this paper seems to take an appropriate compromise.
 

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