I What is the definition of moment M_z in Arnold's book on classical mechanics?

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In Arnold's "Mathematical Methods of Classical Mechanics," the moment M_z, or angular momentum L_z, is defined as the projection onto the z-axis of the moment of a vector F applied at point r, expressed as M_z=(e_z,[r,F]). There is a discussion about whether this definition should represent the time derivative of M_z for unit consistency. Participants agree that M_z is likely intended to represent torque, which has the dimension of mass times length squared per time squared. The notation used for M_z is considered unfortunate, with suggestions for clearer representations. Overall, the conversation highlights potential inconsistencies in Arnold's definitions and emphasizes the importance of clarity in notation.
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Hi guys, so in Arnold's mathematical methods of classical mechanics p43, he defined the moment M_z, or L_z, the angular momentum, relative to the z axis of vector F applied at the point r is the projection onto the z axis of the moment of the vector F relative to some point on this axis, M_z=(e_z,[r,F]), where this square bracket is cross product. I think this should be the time derivative of M_z otherwise the unit is not consistent. Or he actually means the moment of M_z is the torque?
 
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Hello Yingnan, ##\quad## :welcome: ##\quad## !

I don't have this particular book, but yes: he means torque. Alias moment, with dimension
mass ##\times##length2/ time2

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Yingnan Xu said:
M_z=(e_z,[r,F])
notation is unfortunate; better write $$M_z = (\vec r\times\vec F)_z {\text { or, better }}\vec M = \vec r\times\vec F $$
 
Yingnan Xu said:
Hi guys, so in Arnold's mathematical methods of classical mechanics p43, he defined the moment M_z, or L_z, the angular momentum, relative to the z axis of vector F applied at the point r is the projection onto the z axis of the moment of the vector F relative to some point on this axis, M_z=(e_z,[r,F]), where this square bracket is cross product. I think this should be the time derivative of M_z otherwise the unit is not consistent. Or he actually means the moment of M_z is the torque?

Good catch- I didn't notice that one. Since he defined M = [r,dr/dt] earlier on pg 42, M_z=(e_z,[r,F]) or M = [r,F] does seem to be inconsistent with regards to the units [L] and [T] (see also the theorem proof on pg. 44).
 
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