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The discussion revolves around the question of how electric current activates devices, exploring the underlying principles of electricity, charge flow, and the effects of current in various contexts. Participants delve into theoretical aspects, practical examples, and conceptual clarifications related to electricity and its role in powering devices.

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  • One participant questions how current, defined as the flow of electrons, actually turns on devices, suggesting that it may involve electromagnetic forces rather than energy release.
  • Another participant explains that heat is generated when current flows through a resistor, and that a filament light bulb produces photons due to this heat.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that current flowing through an inductor generates a magnetic field, which can have localized or distant effects.
  • One participant describes a basic circuit involving a battery and a light bulb, detailing how the charge imbalance in the battery leads to current flow, which creates a magnetic field and heat, ultimately turning on the device.
  • Another participant reflects on the nature of electricity, suggesting it may be more about the response to conditions rather than a straightforward transfer of energy.
  • A participant discusses the concept of electric fields and their role in exerting forces on particles, linking this to the activation of devices and introducing the idea of voltage as a factor in moving electrons.
  • One participant expresses a desire to understand the implications of magnetic fields generated by moving charges, indicating an interest in further exploration of the topic.

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Participants express various interpretations of how current activates devices, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation. Multiple competing views remain regarding the mechanisms involved, including the roles of heat, electromagnetic forces, and electric fields.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of concepts such as voltage, electric fields, and the relationship between charge and energy, indicating that further exploration and understanding are needed.

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Question about how "current" turns on devices...

My apologies up front if this seems like a silly question, but I have not been able to find a straight answer. If "current" is the flow of electrons, and electrons are just charges (negative) - what is that they actually do to turn on a device? They don't release energy/photons etc. Is that other electrons are responding to the electromagnetic force that repulses other electrons - is that how they actually turn something on?

Thanks in adaance,

Eflat.
 
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Heat is generated when current flows through a resistor. A filament light globe produces photons as a result of heat caused by a current.
When current flows through an inductor it generates a magnetic field that can operate locally or spread through space.
 
It's not a silly question. Not everyone is well versed in physics.


You will probably find this guy's musings about electricity interesting. He's half mad scientist, half philosopher, and half electronics genius.

He explains things informally but well. His style can hold one's interest long enough for the concepts to sink in.

http://amasci.com/miscon/whatis.html

Be sure to read his "see also" links, especially the last two. Become aware of concepts and names for charge, current, energy, power, potential. That units are named after people instead of something mnemonic makes them hard to remember.
 
Simple page: http://www.energyquest.ca.gov/story/chapter01.html
There are many ways to "turn on" devices.

One basic circuit would be a battery and a light bulb. The battery has an imbalance of charge and so you can measure a voltage, or electrical pressure between the terminals. It took energy (chemical energy in the case of a battery) to create the charge imbalance, so when the imbalance goes away, the energy must be dissapated somehow. When you connect a wire from the + to the -, the charge flows through the wire to eliminate the imbalance. The flowing charge does 2 things. It creates a magnetic field and (depending on the nature of the wire) it creates heat in the wire. A piece of tungsten wire in the circuit will heat and glow, producing light. A coil around an iron core would create an electro magnet.

So a device "turns on" because electrons are forced through it by an imbalance of charge that is the source of the electrical energy..
 
Thanks for the responses - I will check out the links. But so far, it does not sound like a "transfer" of energy, more of a "response" to conditions. So bulbs (at least in the incadensent case) "glow" because of heat. Other devices have electrons moving because of magnetism and thus are "turned on"...

I will tell you what I find.

Eflat
 
So I think I am gaining a bit of understanding (thanks Jim Hardy for the link). In effect, "electricity" is a bit misleading. I assume, it takes its derivation from the word "electric", more specifically "electric field" - which in itself is misleading. "Electric" sounds very much like "electron", and although electrons have "electric fields," so do protons. Protons have "electric fields," thus "electric" is not necessarily about "electrons."

These particles have electric fields which act as a force on other particles (yay...I finally '"get" Coulomb's law!). Thus the "energy" is the force per coulomb, which is proportional to the amount of charge, and indirectly proportional to distance. I.e., the more charge, the more force, the more distance (from the charge) the less force, and therefore less energy. Voltage (which is another topic I need to fully digest) moves the electrons around (the protons are bound in the nucleus and aint going nowhere), the electrons exert forces on other particles causing them to react. With enough reaction, you turn on a device! I presume its like awakening someone who is asleep. A "light" sleeper can be awoken easily (small current), a heavy sleeper needs a slap (lotsa current). Thus when we talk "electricity" it would seem we actually mean the force of the electric field.

OK, now the question becomes what happens to all the magnetic fields caused by all these moving charges??! A topic for another time.

Welcoming thoughts...

Thanks.
 
These musings are a good beginning. First we learn vocabulary. Good for you !

old jim
 

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