Question about Newton's first law

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In the discussion about Newton's first law, the consensus is that when all external forces on a body cancel out, the momentum of the body remains unchanged, making option B the best answer. The confusion arises regarding option C, as some argue that if the body continues moving in a straight line, its speed should remain constant. However, it is clarified that while momentum can remain constant, speed may change if the mass of the object changes, which can occur in specific scenarios like losing mass while in motion. The discussion also touches on the implications of torque and how it affects the forces acting on a circular object, further complicating the interpretation of the question. Ultimately, the key takeaway is that constant momentum does not guarantee constant speed or energy due to potential changes in mass.
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All external forces on a body cancel out.
Which statement must be correct?

A The body does not move.
B The momentum of the body remains unchanged.
C The speed of the body remains unchanged.
D The total energy of the body remains unchanged.

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I know that B is the best answer and that A and D is wrong, but I don't know why C is incorrect.

If you cancel out every forces on the body, surely the body will continue its motion with the same velocity in a straight line, and since the direction of motion is constant, then certainly the speed should be the same too.

Now consider a circular object being applied a torque. My question is, since the lines of action do not meet, can you say that the forces "cancel out"?

If you say that it does cancel out, then considering the changing of the velocity of the circular object, B would be wrong.

If you say it doesn't cancel out, that means torques/moments are not considered in this question at all, so what is left is just bodies traveling in a straight line whose speed can't possibly change when there's no external force. So does this support my claim that C is correct?
 
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C is the most correct in my opinion.
 
No - B is the best answer because

Force is defined as the net rate of change of momentum.[STRIKE][/STRIKE]

\sum_i \vec{F_i}=0 = \frac{d \vec{\ p}}{dt}

However, the momentum being constant does not mean that the speed has to be the same, nor the Energy to be the same.

Mathematically you can see it like:

\frac{ d\vec{p} }{dt } = 0 = m \frac{d \vec{v}} {dt} + \vec{v} \frac{d m }{dt }
\frac{d \vec v}{dt} = \frac{-1}{m} \left(\vec{v} \underbrace{\frac{d m}{dt}}_{\neq 0}\right)

This is a tricky point, however, physically you can think about it like this:

If the moving object (say at a constant velocity) loses some its mass while traveling (or the "effective" mass of the object is changing for some reason) the velocity could increase while the momentum is constant (due to decreasing mass),

Similarly, you can express Kinetic Energy as:

E = \frac{|\vec{p}^2|}{2 m} and even if the momentum is constant, a change in mass could change the total Energy ..., hence D isn't the correct answer either.Hope this helps,
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The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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