Question about omega (angular velocity)

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The discussion revolves around the use of angular velocity (ω) in the context of capacitors in AC circuits, particularly in relation to the time constant (RC) and the implications of including operational amplifiers (op-amps) in the circuit. Participants explore the relationship between input frequency and circuit properties, as well as the appropriate formulas to use in different scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether ω should be taken as 105 rad/s or as 1/RC when calculating capacitance in an AC circuit.
  • Another participant asserts that ω is 105 rad/s and clarifies that RC refers to the time constant of an RC circuit.
  • A question is raised about the impact of including an op-amp in the circuit on the use of ω.
  • It is noted that "RC" circuits typically refer to configurations without op-amps, but that op-amp circuits can still exhibit a time constant of RC.
  • One participant expresses confusion about when to use RC versus 1/jωC in calculations.
  • A distinction is made between ω, which is the frequency of the input, and ωc, which is described as a property of the circuit related to cutoff frequency.
  • Another participant explains the significance of ωc in the context of Bode plots for RC low-pass filters, indicating that it is where the input sinusoid is 'cutoff'.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that ω is 105 rad/s, but there is uncertainty regarding the application of RC and 1/jωC in different circuit configurations, particularly with op-amps involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions under which each formula should be applied.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about circuit configurations and the definitions of terms like ω and ωc. The relationship between input frequency and circuit response is not fully clarified.

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For a capacitor in an AC circuit, does [tex]\omega[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{RC}[/tex] always?

I have voltages such as Vg = 2cos(105t) V. When finding the capacitance using the formula C = [tex]\frac{1}{jwc}[/tex] would I use [tex]\omega[/tex] = 105 or would I use [tex]\omega[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{RC}[/tex]?
 
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ω=105 rad/s

RC is the time constant of an RC circuit.
 
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Does it change anything if the circuit involves an op-amp?
 
When people say "RC" circuit they usually mean that there is no op-amp. Some op-amp circuits with resistor and capacitor still have the time constance RC.

The impedance of a capacitor is still 1/jωC in either case.
 
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If I had a voltage Vg = 2cos(105t) V going into the op-amp, would I still use 105 rad/s as my angular velocity, or [tex]\frac{1}{RC}[/tex]?
 
Your question doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but ω is 105.

I said something wrong previous, the time constant is RC.

Sometimes when you are working with a system, the equation ωc = 1/RC would come up. This ωc is the cutoff frequency. Are you getting ω and ωc mixed up? ωc is a property of the circuit. ω is a parameter of the input.
 
Probably. I've had to use RC for a high-pass and low-pass filter, but I guess that's because of they have a cut-off frequency.

I guess I'm confused as to when RC and when to use 1/jwc.
 
ωc is a property of a circuit. Suppose you were to sketch the Bode plot of an RC low pass filter. For the magnitude plot, if you just draw the linear approximation, you get two lines segments that meet at a frequency. The frequency that they meet is ωc. Because ωc is where the curve bends, ωc is also called the corner frequency. The significant of ωc is that it is where the input sinusoid gets 'cutoff'.

ω is the frequency of the input. In this low pass example, if ω > ωc, then the input is cutoff.Zc(jω) = 1/jωC is the impedance of a capacitor. It is the ratio of the voltage and current across a capacitor. It is the ratio Vc(jω)/Ic(jω). It is analogous to resistance, where R = V/I.
 

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