Question about the forming of heavy elements.

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The discussion revolves around the formation of heavy elements, particularly whether they can be created in laboratory settings or if their formation is limited to natural processes such as supernovae. The scope includes theoretical aspects, experimental evidence, and the distinction between creating new elements versus altering existing ones.

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  • Some participants assert that heavy elements are primarily formed in massive supernovae, questioning if this is purely theoretical or if laboratory creation is possible.
  • Others argue that while heavier elements can be created, they are often produced through radioactive decay processes such as alpha and beta decay, which involve altering existing elements rather than creating new ones.
  • A participant mentions that Technetium is an example of an artificial element that was created in a lab, noting it is the only artificial element lighter than lead.
  • There is a distinction made between lighter and heavier elements, with some participants emphasizing the focus on heavier elements in the discussion.
  • One participant claims that every element above atomic number 92 has been created in a laboratory setting.

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Participants express differing views on the creation of heavy elements, with some asserting that laboratory creation is possible while others emphasize the natural processes involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which new elements can be created versus the alteration of existing ones.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of "creating" elements versus "altering" them, and the specifics of the processes involved in the formation of heavy elements are not fully explored.

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I know that I'm told that the heaviest elements can only be created in massive supernovae. Is this just theory, or have we created, in labs, lighter elements in scaled down collisions/explosions?
 
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I'm not too sure on the details of theory, but yes, "we" have created heavier elements. These lighter or heavier elements are formed through types of radioactive decay such as [tex]\alpha[/tex] and [tex]\beta[/tex] decay. Just a situation where there are not enough neutrons, too many neutrons, too little protons. Generally [tex]\alpha[/tex] decay occurs when there are too many protons, and [tex]\beta[/tex] decay when there are too many neutrons. This is induced of course. Some examples : fission of U-235 produces a source of neutrons, which are then bombarded into other elements to create heavier isotopes. Like Cobalt-60, Iodine-123, Strontium-90.

As far as I know we can't actually "create" these new heavier or lighter elements. We just slightly alter existing ones and call them isotopes. And that too elements very, very close to each other. I don't know if we can actually just "create" something.

Hope that helped.

Here is an example:

1.) [tex]^{238}_{92}U+ ^{1}_{0}n\xrightarrow~ ^{239}_{92}U[/tex]

2.) [tex]^{239}_{92}U\xrightarrow~ ^{239}_{93}Np+ ^{0}_ {-1}e[/tex]

3.) [tex]^{239}_{93}Np\xrightarrow~ + ^{239}_{94}Pu + ^{0}_{-1}e[/tex]
 
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We created Technetium. It didn't exist before we made it. It's also the only artificial element lighter than lead.
 
we're talking about HEAVIER elements, though
 
sigmavirus said:
we're talking about HEAVIER elements, though

The OP did mention lighter elements as well.
 
Also, every element above 92 was created in a lab.
 
Lazy said:
The OP did mention lighter elements as well.

oh i see. sorry.
 

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