Question about the Galilean transform in classical physics

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The discussion revolves around the Galilean transformation in classical physics, specifically focusing on the equations used to relate positions and velocities in different reference frames. Participants are examining the definitions and roles of the variables involved, particularly ##v## and ##v'##, in the context of relative motion.

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  • Participants are questioning the correct formulation of the Galilean transformation equations, particularly whether the equation should use ##v## or ##v'##. They are exploring the definitions of these variables in different reference frames and discussing the implications of these definitions on the transformation equations.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering various interpretations of the variables involved and their relationships. Some have provided examples to illustrate their points, while others are seeking clarification on the definitions and the correct form of the transformation equation. There is no explicit consensus yet, as differing views on the equation persist.

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Participants are navigating through assumptions about the reference frames and the velocities involved, with some expressing uncertainty about the implications of their definitions. The discussion is framed within the constraints of a homework context, where precise definitions and correct formulations are critical.

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Homework Statement
Shouldn't the equation be x' = x + (v')(t) instead of x' = x + (v)(t)?
Relevant Equations
x' = x + (v)(t)?
Shouldn't the equation be x' = x + (v')(t) instead of x' = x + (v)(t)?
 
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billllib said:
Homework Statement:: Shouldn't the equation be x' = x + (v')(t) instead of x' = x + (v)(t)?
Relevant Equations:: x' = x + (v)(t)?

Shouldn't the equation be x' = x + (v')(t) instead of x' = x + (v)(t)?
What are ##v## and ##v'##?
 
speeds in 2 reference frames. For example in A frame A's speed is zero, while in B's frame A's speed can be different then zero or = 0.
 
billllib said:
speeds in 2 reference frames. For example in A frame A's speed is zero, while in B's frame A's speed can be different then zero or = 0.

That's not a precise answer. A possible answer is:

##v## is the speed of B, as measured in A's frame.

##v'## is the speed of A, as measured in B's frame.

Is that what you mean?

The convention is generally that quantities in one frame are unprimed and quantities in another frame are primed.
 
I am slightly modifying what you wrote.

V is the speed of A, as measured in A's frame. V = 0

V′ is the speed of A, as measured in B's frame. V !=0 or V = 0

Can that also work?
 
billllib said:
I am slightly modifying what you wrote.

V is the speed of A, as measured in A's frame. V = 0

V′ is the speed of A, as measured in B's frame. V !=0 or V = 0

Can that also work?
What do you mean by working? What equations can you write down with those values of ##v## and ##v'##?
 
Lets say B = 100 km/h in A's frame, A = 0.
Lets say A = -100 km/h in B's frame.

Lets focus on A in both frames. Is it correct to say V_A' = -100 and V_A = 0? Is this the correct definition of prime and not prime?

This brings me back original question.
Shouldn't the equation be x' = x + (v')(t) instead of x' = x + (v)(t)?
 
billllib said:
Lets say B = 100 km/h in A's frame, A = 0.
Lets say A = -100 km/h in B's frame.

Lets focus on A in both frames. Is it correct to say V_A' = -100 and V_A = 0? Is this the correct definition of prime and not prime?

That's all true.

billllib said:
This brings me back original question.
Shouldn't the equation be x' = x + (v')(t) instead of x' = x + (v)(t)?

What are ##v## and ##v'## here?
 
The idea of the Galilean transformation is as follows. Let's say you are standing ##100m## from a flag, The flag is fixed at ##x = 100m## in your reference frame. Your friend begins to walk towards the flag at ##1m/s##. His reference frame is moving at velocity ##v = 1m/s## in the direction towards the flag. The flag in his reference frame has position:

At ##t = 0##, ##x' = 100m##

At ##t = 1##, ##x' = 99m##

At ##t = 10##, ##x' = 90m##

And:

At ##t = 100##, ##x' = 0m##.

Now, what is the transformation between ##x## and ##x'## in that case?
 
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PeroK said:
That's all true.
What are ##v## and ##v'## here?

"v" and " v' " have the same value as post "A" and" A' ". A = v and A' = v'.

Sorry for sounding like a broken record.

The equation should be x' = x + (v')(t) instead of x' = x + (v)(t)?

In the title I added "shouldn't" but it should be "should".
 
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billllib said:
The equation should be x' = x + (v')(t) instead of x' = x + (v)(t)?

In the title I added "shouldn't" but it should be "should".
No. See post #9. The equation is and always will be: ##x' = x - vt##, where ##v## is the velocity of the primed frame as measured in the unprimed frame.
 
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I think I finally am getting what you are saying. I am transforming x to x'. Also since it is a constant velocity the velocity is always the same value thanks if I have any further questions I will ask.
 

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