Question/Advice regarding multivariable calculus

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for re-learning multivariable calculus, focusing on various textbooks and their suitability for different learning styles. Participants explore the content and structure of specific books, including their coverage of vector calculus and advanced topics like topology and differential forms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to re-learn multivariable calculus, mentioning dissatisfaction with previous learning experiences and specific textbooks like Hubbard's, which they find too verbose.
  • Another participant suggests studying applications such as classical electrodynamics to strengthen understanding of vector calculus, recommending Wangsness' text as potentially more suitable.
  • There is a discussion about the relevance of additional topics in Fleming's book, with some participants noting their importance for later studies in mathematics and physics, particularly in areas like general relativity and quantum field theory.
  • One participant raises concerns about their lack of physics background and questions whether the proofs in Fleming's book rely on sections they have not learned.
  • Another participant suggests that the initial chapters of Fleming's book can be used as reference material, indicating that familiarity with set theory and basic topology may allow skipping to later chapters without significant issues.
  • A participant recommends Spiegel's Vector Analysis as a more accessible option for learning vector calculus.

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Participants express differing opinions on the suitability of various textbooks and the necessity of certain topics. There is no consensus on which book is definitively the best choice for re-learning multivariable calculus, and some participants highlight the importance of personal learning preferences.

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Participants mention that the understanding of advanced topics may depend on prior knowledge of set theory and topology, indicating potential limitations in the discussion regarding the prerequisites for certain textbooks.

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Hi,

I want to re-learn multivariable calculus, after I have learned it, not in the best possible way... and feel bad about it.

I have seen the recommendations here about Hubbard/Shifrin/Fleming/Edwards. I have also seen the books by Munkres/Spivak/Apostol.
I didn't really like Hubbard's book because it is way too verbose for me. I like(and think it is necessary) to read some motivation, but in my opinion it is too much.

From the books above, I like the most Munkres',Apostol's and Fleming's books. But I am not sure if those are "the right" books to learn the subjects from. Regarding Fleming's book, unfortunately it contains a lot of new things that I didn't learn, and I am not sure if I need to learn them or not, especially if more advance topics are based on those topics(mostly chapter 2, from section 2.6- topological spaces- onwards).

My primary goal is to strength my understanding in the "classical" vector calculus, and if time allows then go into differential forms.

Thank you.
 
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A really good way to strengthen your "div, grad, curl, and all that" vector calculus would be to study an application which uses a lot of it, such as classical electrodynamics. Given your reaction to advanced calculus textbooks, I think you might like Wangsness' text.

The extra topics in Fleming come in very handy later on in both mathematics and physics.

Topology is useful for improving ones understanding of the mathematical structures used in both general relativity and quantum field theory, for example. The candidate theories for quantum gravity rely even more heavily on topological concepts.

Learning Lebesgue integration helps cement one's understanding of point-set topology, and also provides a better framework for thinking about integrating over general sets rather than simple intervals or curves.

That being said, given your attitude towards Hubbard, you'd probably prefer Spivak's Calculus on Manifolds for the coverage of differential forms, though Fleming's presentation is closer to Spivak than Hubbard, in my opinion. I think Fleming's text is probably a better value for someone in your situation.
 
The Bill said:
A really good way to strengthen your "div, grad, curl, and all that" vector calculus would be to study an application which uses a lot of it, such as classical electrodynamics. Given your reaction to advanced calculus textbooks, I think you might like Wangsness' text.

The extra topics in Fleming come in very handy later on in both mathematics and physics.

Topology is useful for improving ones understanding of the mathematical structures used in both general relativity and quantum field theory, for example. The candidate theories for quantum gravity rely even more heavily on topological concepts.

Learning Lebesgue integration helps cement one's understanding of point-set topology, and also provides a better framework for thinking about integrating over general sets rather than simple intervals or curves.

That being said, given your attitude towards Hubbard, you'd probably prefer Spivak's Calculus on Manifolds for the coverage of differential forms, though Fleming's presentation is closer to Spivak than Hubbard, in my opinion. I think Fleming's text is probably a better value for someone in your situation.

Thank you for the answer.

A problem with your first suggestion is that I am really bad at physics. I am a math major.

Another thing, when I asked about the sections in Fleming's book which I didn't learn and don't know if I should(right now), it's because I am not sure if the proofs in the rest of the book use those parts.

Thank you.
 
mr.tea said:
Another thing, when I asked about the sections in Fleming's book which I didn't learn and don't know if I should(right now), it's because I am not sure if the proofs in the rest of the book use those parts.

I would say that the sections on Euclidean spaces and topology are more practice for learning the style in which Fleming uses set theoretic expressions alongside his exposition. You should be able to easily get away with jumping straight to chapter 3 and using the first two chapters as reference material, and for extra problems when you want practice dealing with sets. If you run into notation that isn't defined in chapters 3+, you can flip through chapters 1-2 quickly to see where it's first used, and work through that example.

If you're familiar with set theory, and understand basic topological ideas from analysis like compactness, countable and finite covers, and such, you should be fine going straight to chapter 3.
 
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The Bill said:
I would say that the sections on Euclidean spaces and topology are more practice for learning the style in which Fleming uses set theoretic expressions alongside his exposition. You should be able to easily get away with jumping straight to chapter 3 and using the first two chapters as reference material, and for extra problems when you want practice dealing with sets. If you run into notation that isn't defined in chapters 3+, you can flip through chapters 1-2 quickly to see where it's first used, and work through that example.

If you're familiar with set theory, and understand basic topological ideas from analysis like compactness, countable and finite covers, and such, you should be fine going straight to chapter 3.

Thank you. I appreciate your help!
 
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