Question: do e/b-fields effect light?

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter silverdiesel
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Light
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the effects of electric (E) and magnetic (B) fields on light, exploring both theoretical and practical implications. Participants examine the behavior of light in vacuum versus various media, as well as the potential for interaction under extreme conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why light is not distorted by the E-field of a capacitor or the B-field of the Earth, suggesting a need for insight into the interaction between light and these fields.
  • Another participant explains that in a vacuum, light is not distorted due to the principle of superposition, but in media, light can be influenced by E-fields through effects like the electro-optic effect and the Kerr effect, and by B-fields through the magneto-optic effect.
  • A third participant introduces the idea that at extreme intensities, modern theory predicts that even in vacuum, light can be affected by electromagnetic fields, referencing Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) and phenomena such as light-light scattering and Delbrück scattering.
  • A later reply expresses appreciation for the insights shared, noting a shift in understanding regarding the behavior of light under various conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple views on the interaction of light with E and B fields, with some agreeing on the effects in media while others introduce more complex interactions predicted by QED at extreme field strengths. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these theories in practical scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on field strengths for observable effects and the distinction between classical and quantum theories of light interaction.

silverdiesel
Messages
64
Reaction score
0
If light is an oscillation in the E and B fields, then, if you sent light thought a capacitor, why doesn't the E-field of the capacitor somehow distort the light? And why doesn't the B-field of the Earth, or powerlines distort light?

any insight appriciated.:confused:
 
Science news on Phys.org
In a vacuum, there is no distortion, due to the principle of superposition. Inside media however is a different story. Since the response of atoms within a medium is nonlinear to some degree, the principle of superposition does not hold.

Light can be influenced (Probably a better word than distortion) by an E field inside a medium via either the electro-optic effect or the Kerr effect. The Electro-optic effect is a variation in refractive index with E, thus such an effect can be used to deflect light. The Kerr effect is a similar effect, but has a slightly different dependence on E.

Light can be influenced by a B field via the magneto-optic effect. An applied B field causes the polarisation of a light beam to rotate as it propagates inside a medium.

Typically though, for either of these effects to be readily observable, one needs to use hundreds to thousands of volts, or a magnetic field a sizeable fraction of a Tesla.

Claude.
 
Although Claude Bile gave an excellent answer, valid for all everyday situation and more thereon, I would like to add that at extreme intensities modern theory actually predicts that even in vacuum light can be affected by electromagnetic fields.

Classical electrodynamics obeys Maxwell's equations, which are linear in vacuum, and hence superpostion holds, just like said above. Hence EM-fields cannot interact classically. However, according to Quantum Electrodynamics (QED), there are small non-linear corrections to Maxwell's vacuum equation, allowing EM-fields to interact with each other. That is, QED predicts for instance light-light scattering and light-(E-field) scattering, the later being observed in so called Delbrück scattering (see e.g. G. Jarlskog et al., Phys. Rev. D 8, 3813 (1973)), where light is scattered by the E-field outside a heavy nucleus.
Anyway, again note that those QED-effects only appear at extreme field strengths.
 
Interesting. I am very glad to hear that. It seems as you learn more about light, your intuition is always wrong. So I am glad to see that what seems to be true, is actually true even if only at very lage E and B magnitudes.

Thanks for the responces.
 

Similar threads

Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
678
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
3K
  • · Replies 40 ·
2
Replies
40
Views
5K
  • · Replies 27 ·
Replies
27
Views
5K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K