Question in reflection and transmission at oblique incidence.

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The discussion centers on the representation of electromagnetic waves in Griffiths' textbook, specifically regarding the incident, reflected, and transmitted waves denoted as \(\vec E_I(\vec r,t)\), \(\vec E_R(\vec r,t)\), and \(\vec E_T(\vec r,t)\). The user questions the notation used, as it implies all waves are in the same direction \(\vec r\), despite their propagation in distinct directions \(\vec k_I\), \(\vec k_R\), and \(\vec k_T\). The user finds the representation questionable but acknowledges that the final results may still be valid. Insights from Cheng's book clarify that the exponential form \(e^{\vec k \cdot \vec r}\) encapsulates the wave's propagation in three-dimensional space.

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I am reading Griffiths p387. It is my understanding that
\tilde E(\vec r,t)=\hat r E_0 e^{j(\omega t-kr)}
Where ##\vec r =\hat x x+\hat y y+ \hat z z## is the positional vector from the origin to the observation point ( x,y,z).
\Rightarrow\;\tilde E(\vec r,t)=\hat r E_0 e^{-jkr}\;=\;\left(\frac {\hat x x+\hat y y+ \hat z z}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2}}\right) E_0e^{j[-(\hat x k_x+\hat y k_y+\hat z k_z)\cdot(\hat x x+\hat y y+\hat z z)]}\;=\; \left(\frac {\hat x x+\hat y y+ \hat z z}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2}}\right) E_0e^{-j[( x k_x+ y k_y+z k_z)]}


In Griffiths, he let the incident TEM wave travels in ##\vec k_I## direction. So he let
\vec E_I(\vec r,t)= \vec E_{0I} e^{j(\omega t - \vec k_I\cdot \vec r)},\;\vec E_R(\vec r,t)= \vec E_{0R} e^{j(\omega t - \vec k_R\cdot \vec r)},\;\vec E_T(\vec r,t)= \vec E_{0T} e^{j(\omega t - \vec k_T\cdot \vec r)},\;
To expand one out:
\vec E_I(\vec r,t)= \vec E_{0I} e^{j(\omega t - \vec k_I\cdot \vec r)}=\hat x E_{0I}e^{j[\omega t - (xk_{Ix}+yk_{Iy}+zk_{Iz})]}

I have a problem with this, as you can see from the scanned page, the direction of the incident, reflected and transmitted wave is in direction of ##\vec k_I,\;\vec k_R\;\hbox { and } \;\vec k_T##. But he gave all three as ##\vec E(\vec r,t)##. This mean all three are in ##\vec r## direction. That is not right.
Later, he actually equated
xk_{Ix}=xk_{Rx}\;\Rightarrow\;k_{Ix}=k_{Rx}
This mean he used the same ##\vec r## in all three, that is questionable. I am not saying the final result is wrong, just the representation is questionable.
Please help.

Thanks
 

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I think I got some of the explanation from Cheng's book that ##e^{\vec k\cdot \vec r}## is just to give ##e^{-jk_xx}e^{-jk_yy}e^{-jk_zz}=e^{-j(k_xx+k_yy+k_zz)}##...which is like ##e^{-jkz}## in z direction.

But I still have a question. It is obvious that in the book, the incident wave is traveling in ##\hat k_I## direction, reflected wave in ##\hat k_R## direction and transmitted wave in ##\hat k_T## direction.

Why this book and other books all call ##\vec E(\vec r, t)## and not ##\vec E(\vec k_I, t)##? The incident wave IS traveling in ##\vec k_I## direction as indicated. Or this is just a general way of saying the direction of propagation has xyz components, not just z?
 
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