Question on Laws of Motion observed in Real Life

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The discussion revolves around the observed differences in stopping distances of a heavier boy and a lighter boy sliding down a water slide. Participants explore the implications of laws of motion, friction, momentum, and other forces affecting their motion.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the heavier boy slides farther than the lighter boy, despite the expectation that greater friction would stop him sooner.
  • Another participant suggests that the heavier boy has more momentum (p=mv), which may require more friction to stop him, allowing him to travel farther.
  • A later reply acknowledges that friction is proportional to weight and questions why the heavier boy travels farther, proposing that other forces, such as air resistance or fluid resistance from water, might be at play.
  • One participant raises the possibility that differences in clothing (e.g., wearing a pool shirt) could affect friction on the slide.
  • Another participant discusses how terminal speed is influenced by weight and resistance forces, suggesting that the heavier boy's greater weight force and similar resistance forces contribute to the observed differences.
  • There is mention of the limitations of simple laws of motion, which assume no friction, and how they predict similar acceleration and final speed for both boys.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factors influencing the stopping distances, with no consensus on the primary reason for the observed phenomenon. Multiple competing explanations are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that various factors, such as clothing, body position, and resistance forces, may influence the results, but these factors remain unresolved within the discussion.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring concepts in physics related to motion, friction, and forces, particularly in practical, real-life applications.

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When I had a school tour to A water park, there I observed that when a heavy boy used to slide down a water slide(and stop at β), he used to go further than where the ligher boy used to stop after sliding(α).
But the friction will act more on Heavier then why is he going further?
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Assuming both the heavy boy and lighter boy are moving with the same velocity, I think its probably because the heavy boy will have more momentum than the lighter boy, p=mv, thus as compared to the lighter boy more friction will be required to stop the heavy boy.Therefore he travels farther.
 
rajumahtora said:
But the friction will act more on Heavier then why is he going further?

You're right about the frictional force: It's proportional to the normal force between boy and slide, and that's proportional to the weight so should stop them both at the same point.

That's not what you've observed, so you have to conclude that there is some other force at work as well, one that is not proportional to the weight so Heavy's momentum will carry him farther against that force. Air resistance is a good candidate, and on a water slide fluid resistance from the water is also possible.
 
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Was the light boy wearing a pool shirt and the heavy boy not wearing a pool shirt? This has a big frictional effect on water slides if the people are lying down.
 
Your terminal speed will depend upon the resultant of your weight force and the resistance forces. The larger boy will have much greater weight force but very similar resistance forces. There are other factors at work when they use different mats or clothing or learn the speed technique of holding their body in the optimum shape.

The simple laws of motion assume no friction so they predict the same acceleration and final speed for both boys. Taken to extremes, in a practical situation, the terminal velocity of a mouse, falling through air, is low enough for it to be thrown off the Empire State Building and for it to walk away from the experience. Unlike the situation for an elephant. (Not Dumbo, of course)
 

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