Question on quarter wave circuit?

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The discussion revolves around the characteristics of a quarter wave circuit that incorporates an LC circuit capable of resonance. Participants explore the relationship between the reactances of the inductor and capacitor, the implications of the circuit being a quarter wavelength, and how these factors influence circuit behavior at resonance.

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  • One participant questions whether an LC circuit can achieve resonance while also being a quarter wavelength.
  • Another participant provides specific values for the inductor (500uH) and capacitor (10pF) and calculates the resonant frequency as 2.25MHz, asking how the circuit behaves when driven at this frequency.
  • A different participant suggests that if the inductor is modeled as a shorted transmission line, it would behave as an open circuit and not resemble the specified inductance.
  • This participant further explains that if the inductor's length is about 1/4 wavelength, it would have an inductive reactance equal to its characteristic impedance, affecting the circuit's behavior over a range of frequencies.
  • One participant inquires about determining current flow in the circuit, noting that in a series resonant circuit with near-zero resistance, current is primarily influenced by the generator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how the circuit behaves under specific conditions, particularly regarding the modeling of the inductor and its implications for resonance and current flow. No consensus is reached on the overall behavior of the circuit.

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Participants reference specific values and conditions, but the discussion does not resolve the implications of these assumptions or the mathematical relationships involved.

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Hi all, first post here.

I am studying 1/4 wave circuits and I've been wondering.

Can you have a LC circuit in which the reactances of the L and C produce resonance, while at the same time having the circuit be a 1/4 wavelength?

If so what would this circuits characteristics be?
 
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BHY-BK said:
Hi all, first post here.

I am studying 1/4 wave circuits and I've been wondering.

Can you have a LC circuit in which the reactances of the L and C produce resonance, while at the same time having the circuit be a 1/4 wavelength?

If so what would this circuits characteristics be?
Welcome to the PF.

Can you post the Relevant Equations? Please show what you have been studying, and show the part that you are wondering about... :smile:
 
OK,

You have a series LC circuit. The L value is 500uH while the C value is 10pF. So the resonant frequency is 2.25MHz. Now, let's say the electrical length of the inductor is exactly 1/4 wavelength at 2.25MHz. How would this circuit behave when driven at it's resonant frequency (2.25MHz) by an AC source?
 
BHY-BK said:
OK,
I presume that the inductor is actually a piece of shorted transmission line having a length of 1/4 wavelength at 2.25 MHz. In such case it will behave as an open circuit and cannot look like 500uH.
If, however, the length of wire in the inductor is about 1/4 wavelength and the inductor looks like a shorted line 1/8 wavelength long, then it will have an inductive reactance numerically equal to its characteristic impedance. In this case the circuit appears the same as the LC series series circuit over a fairly wide range of frequencies centred on the resonant frequency.
500uH has a reactance of 707 ohms at 2.25 MHz, so the line would require a Z0 of 707 ohms.
If the circuit is driven by a low resistance generator in series with it, high voltages will appear across L and C.
 
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Tech99

Thanks for the explanation, It is appreciated.

What about the current? How would you determine current flow in this circuit?
 
What about the current? How would you determine current flow in this circuit?
A series resonant circuit has a resistance near zero, so the current will be mainly decided by the generator.
 
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