Quick question about constant of motion

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The discussion revolves around the concept of orbital angular momentum in a central force field, specifically examining the expression for angular momentum and its interpretation in polar coordinates.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the expression for angular momentum, questioning the form of the equation and its relation to the standard definition involving the cross product. There is also discussion about the challenges of applying the cross product in polar coordinates.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical formulation of angular momentum, with some suggesting comparisons to standard definitions and others providing insights on handling polar coordinates. There is no explicit consensus yet, as different interpretations and methods are being explored.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the application of the cross product in polar coordinates and the implications of the angle θ in the context of angular momentum.

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I have found that ##J = m r^2 \sin^2 \theta \dot{\phi}^2 ## is a constant of motion. How is this orbital angular momentum in the ##\theta = 0 ## direction? It is a particle moving in a central force field.
 
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Shouldn't that be [itex]J = m r^2 \sin^2(\theta) \dot{\phi}[/itex] ? I guess you should try to compare this to the "usual" definition, which is [itex]\mathbf{J} = \mathbf{r} \times \mathbf{p}[/itex]
 
I can't work that out i can't do a cross product in polar coordinates.

## J = r p \sin (\theta) ##

## p = m r \dot{\phi} \sin (\theta) ## ?

## J = m r^2 \sin^2(\theta) \dot{\phi} ##
 
The cross product works exactly like with the usual rectangular coordinates. If you want to make it more straightforward, take the absolute value so you don't have to worry about sign conventions. If you are really worried, you can also transform back to rectangular coordinates but that's a ton of unneeded work.
 
Hi Gregg! :smile:
Gregg said:
I have found that ##J = m r^2 \sin^2 \theta \dot{\phi}^2 ## is a constant of motion. How is this orbital angular momentum in the ##\theta = 0 ## direction?

If you draw a "horizontal" circle, it has radius rsinθ, and the component of velocity parallel to the circle is φ'rsinθ :wink:
 

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