Quick question about raising and lowering operators (ladder operators)

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The discussion revolves around the use of ladder operators in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the transition between equations in a text related to these operators. The original poster expresses confusion about the manipulation of terms and the disappearance of a factor in the equations.

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  • Participants discuss the manipulation of terms involving the imaginary unit and constants, questioning how certain factors are handled in the derivation of equations. There is an exploration of the relationship between the operators and their mathematical properties.

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Some participants have provided insights regarding the handling of constants and the nature of the operators involved. There is an ongoing examination of the original poster's attempts to align their results with the text, indicating a productive dialogue without a clear consensus on the resolution of the confusion.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the properties of operators in quantum mechanics and the potential misinterpretation of algebraic manipulations when applied to operators rather than ordinary variables.

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Reading through my QM text, I came across this short piece on ladder operators that is giving me trouble (see picture). What I am struggling with is how to get to equations 2 and 3 from equation 1.

Can someone point me in the right direction? Where does the i infront of the x go?
 

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Hi PhysicsGirl90! :smile:
PhysicsGirl90 said:
Where does the i infront of the x go?

It disappeared when they multiplied the whole thing by the constant i/√(ωh) :wink:
 
Hey tiny-tim,

Thanks for your suggestion. I tried it but i get stuck trying to get the same equation as the text. I have included what i got so far in the picture. Can you give it a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?
 

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Hey PhysicsGirl90! :smile:

(just got up :zzz:)

the RHS of what you got is the same as in the text :wink:

(apart from a constant, and you can always multiply an eigenvector by any constant!)
 
This is a very sloppy "derivation" of the ladder operators. First of all
Simple algebraic factoring yields two roots
is not correct, since \hat{x} and \hat{p} are operators. (By the way, it should be d/dx, not d/d\hat{x}.) You can get inspiration from what algebraic factoring would give, if these were ordinary variables, in order to investigate operators that look like the roots. But a_+ and a_- are not "derived" this way.

You can also notice that \hat{X} = \sqrt{\frac{m \omega}{\hbar}} \hat{x} and \hat{P} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{m \hbar \omega}} \hat{p} are dimensionless.
 
Thanks again tiny-tim and thank you DrClaude for your help
 

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