Ramp, block, and elastic potential energy

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The discussion revolves around calculating the spring constant (k) for a block released from a compressed spring on a ramp. The block travels 0.9 m before stopping, with a friction coefficient of 0.8. The participant calculates gravitational forces and potential energy but arrives at a spring constant of approximately 271, while the expected answer is 260. The error is identified in the gravitational potential energy calculation, specifically regarding the vertical height change as the block moves along the ramp. Clarification on the correct approach to determining the height and energy loss due to friction is suggested for accurate results.
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Homework Statement



The spring in the figure below is initially compressed by 0.4 m in the position shown. If released from this position, block A travels 0.9 m before coming to a stop. The kinetic coefficient of friction is 0.8. What is the spring constant? (The spring is not fastened to block A)

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Homework Equations



Elastic potential energy=0.5kx^2
Work=Fd

The Attempt at a Solution



The force of gravity acting on the block=9.81*4=39.24 N

The force of gravity acting on the block parallel to the ramp=sin(10°)*39.24=6.81 N

The force of gravity acting on the block perpendicular to the ramp=cos(10°)*39.2=38.64 N, which is also what the normal force is equal to.

Force of friction=38.64*0.8=30.91 N

Elastic potential energy=(0.5)(0.4)^2(k)

The block will gain kinetic energy from the elastic potential energy + the gravitational potential energy, and lose an amount equal to that (since it stops) due to friction, so:

elastic potential energy+gravitational potential energy=energy lost to friction
(0.5)(0.4)^2(k)+(6.81)(0.9)=(30.91)(0.9)
k≈271

However, the answer I'm given is k=260. I'm not sure if this is a typo, rounding error, or if I'm doing something wrong. Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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You're very close. Your mistake is in the gravitational potential energy. You are told that it travels 0.9 m along the surface; so is the block initially 0.9m vertically above the final state, or is it a different amount?
 
Steely Dan said:
You're very close. Your mistake is in the gravitational potential energy. You are told that it travels 0.9 m along the surface; so is the block initially 0.9m vertically above the final state, or is it a different amount?

I found the gravitational energy by multiplying the amount of gravitational force acting parallel to the ramp (6.81 N) by the distance it acts for:

≈(6.81)(0.9)
≈6.129 J

Using the gravitational potential energy equation, I get the same answer:

=mgh
=(4)(9.81)(sin(10)*0.9)
≈6.13 J
 
Try solving it smply.

Work done on the box = Change in K.E
 
fereas said:
I found the gravitational energy by multiplying the amount of gravitational force acting parallel to the ramp (6.81 N) by the distance it acts for:

≈(6.81)(0.9)
≈6.129 J

Using the gravitational potential energy equation, I get the same answer:

=mgh
=(4)(9.81)(sin(10)*0.9)
≈6.13 J

My apologies. I saw no sin(10) in the last line and assumed you had overlooked it. The work looks correct to me otherwise.
 
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