Rate of change of the magnitude of the displacement

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The discussion focuses on determining the rate of change of the distance between two points moving in different directions on the xy-plane. Two approaches are presented: the first calculates the distance using the formula r = √(x² + y²) and differentiates it directly, while the second involves finding the velocity of the vector difference between the two points. The first method yields the derivative of the distance, while the second calculates the magnitude of the velocity vector. It is concluded that for finding the rate of change of distance, the first approach is the correct one, as it accounts for radial velocity in polar coordinates. The distinction between the two methods is emphasized, particularly in scenarios where distance remains constant despite motion.
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If the displacement was given by \overrightarrow x (t)
( i.e vector valued function ) .

Then the velocity is \overrightarrow v = \frac {d \overrightarrow x}{dt}

The speed is the magnitude of v .


But ..

What is the derivative of the magintude of the displacement \frac {d \|\overrightarrow x\|}{dt} ?




To Clerify my question more ..

Suppose on the xy - plane , there are two point started moving from the origin , the first one in the y - axis direction and its displacement at time t is y =t
the other point moves in the x - axis direction , and its displacement is x=t^2

If we want to find the rate of change of the distnace between them as a function of time .. there are 2 approaches ..

The First : :

We can say that .. the distnace between them is :

r = \sqrt { x^2 + y^2 } = \sqrt { t^2 + t^4 }

Thus simply we differentiate r with respect to t ::

\frac {dr}{dt} = \frac { 2t^3 + t } { \sqrt { 1 + t^2 }}


The second ::

Consider .. the vector \overrightarrow x = t^2 \mathbf i and \overrightarrow y = t \mathbf j ..
Thus , \overrightarrow r = \overrightarrow x - \overrightarrow y = t^2 \mathbf i - t \mathbf j
The velocity is
\frac { d \overrightarrow r } {dt} = 2t \mathbf i - \mathbf j

Thus the rate of change of the distance between them is
\left \| \frac { d \overrightarrow r } {dt} \right \| = \sqrt { 4t^2 + 1 }

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Notice the first one is :

\frac {d \| \overrightarrow r \|}{dt}

AND the second is


\left \| \frac { d \overrightarrow r } {dt} \right \|


WHICH ONE IS THE RIGHT ANWER ?
 
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d|r|/dt, in the case where r the distance from a point to a distinguished origin, is called a 'radial velocity' and is a component (in polar coordinates) of the velocity dr/dt.
 
If you want to find the 'rate of change of the distance between them' use the first approach. E.g. if a point is circling the origin |dr/dt| is nonzero, yet the distance is fixed.
 
And that is what I thought about ..

Thanks :smile: ,
 
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