Rationalizing Denominator: What Went Wrong in Multiplying by Conjugate?

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The discussion focuses on the process of rationalizing the denominator in the expression (x^2-9)/(√(3-x)). The correct approach involves multiplying both the numerator and denominator by √(3-x) rather than the conjugate, as the radical is treated as a single entity. Participants clarify that the conjugate is typically used when applicable, but in this case, simplifying the square root directly is more effective. Misunderstandings arise regarding the definition and application of the conjugate in this context. Ultimately, the key takeaway is that rationalizing requires careful consideration of the terms involved in the denominator.
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Homework Statement


Rationalize the denominator and simplify:

\frac{x^2-9}{\sqrt{3-x}}


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The Attempt at a Solution


The answer to the question is -(x+3)\sqrt{3-x}, but this is what I'am getting:
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9554/radicalio9.jpg
Can someone show me where I went wrong?
 
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Well, when you rationalize a problem. You want to get rid of the radical. In order for the radical to go away, you have to manipulate it so that the power is 1.

You multiplied the both numerator and denominator by \sqrt{3+x} when you should have multiplied both by \sqrt{3-x}
 
But I thought that when you rationalize, you're supposed to multiply the numerator and denominator by the conjugate.
 
Since we have a square root, it's like a grouping symbol, we have to take the entire piece as one single thing. So we we let \sqrt{3+x} = a, then there's really only one thing in the denominator. We only multiply by the conjugate when the identity p^2-q^2 = (p+q)(p-q) is useful to us, in this case not. This time it was easier just to get rid of the square root.

Or another way to think of it, you have a+0 in the denominator, you have to multiply by its conjugate, a-0 = a.
 
temaire said:
But I thought that when you rationalize, you're supposed to multiply the numerator and denominator by the conjugate.


Yes, and what is the conjugate here? The conjugate of a+ b\sqrt{c} is a- b\sqrt{c}. What are a, b, and c here?
 
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Since ##px^9+q## is the factor, then ##x^9=\frac{-q}{p}## will be one of the roots. Let ##f(x)=27x^{18}+bx^9+70##, then: $$27\left(\frac{-q}{p}\right)^2+b\left(\frac{-q}{p}\right)+70=0$$ $$b=27 \frac{q}{p}+70 \frac{p}{q}$$ $$b=\frac{27q^2+70p^2}{pq}$$ From this expression, it looks like there is no greatest value of ##b## because increasing the value of ##p## and ##q## will also increase the value of ##b##. How to find the greatest value of ##b##? Thanks
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