RC circuit with rectangular pulse

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the voltage response of an RC circuit subjected to a rectangular pulse input. Participants explore the implications of the pulse's characteristics on the circuit's behavior, focusing on the transition points and the capacitor's charging and discharging phases.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about distinguishing between voltage response and natural response, as well as the correct application of time shifts in their calculations.
  • Another participant corrects the first by stating that the Thevenin resistance seen by the capacitor is miscalculated, affecting the time constant value.
  • There is a suggestion to simplify the problem by first considering a unit step input and determining the capacitor voltage at t = 100 ms.
  • A participant questions whether it is valid to treat the rectangular pulse as a step function for initial calculations and then adjust for the time shift later.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of recognizing the rectangular pulse's characteristics, noting that the capacitor will charge and then discharge based on the input voltage changes.
  • One participant presents their revised attempt at solving the problem, identifying two sections of the voltage response associated with the pulse's rising and falling edges.
  • A later reply acknowledges the attempt but indicates the need for mathematical "switches" to properly define the overall function over time spans.
  • Another participant raises a concern about the requirement to avoid using the unit step function in their solution, asking for alternative approaches.
  • A suggestion is made to express the voltage response as a piecewise function without the unit step function, outlining the conditions for each segment of the response.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to analyze the circuit's behavior in segments corresponding to the input pulse's characteristics. However, there is no consensus on the best approach to incorporate the time shift or the use of the unit step function, indicating ongoing debate and differing methodologies.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct application of time shifts and the treatment of the rectangular pulse as a step function. There are also unresolved discussions about the use of mathematical functions to represent the voltage response.

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Homework Statement


Consider the circuit below. If the source υs represents a 12-V, 100-ms-long rectangular pulse that starts at t = 0 and the
element values are R1 = 6 kΩ, R2 = 2 kΩ, R3 = 4 kΩ, and C = 15 μF, determine the voltage response υ(t) for t ≥ 0.


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The Attempt at a Solution


I am trying to use this slide as a platform to start the problem, but I am not sure what the voltage response is vs. natural response, and where I should do the timeshift. Also, I wasn't sure if my thevenin resistance to find the time constant was correct.
 

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Hi Maylis,

Your Thevenin resistance that the capacitor "sees" is not correct; the two 6k branches are not in series from the capacitor's point of view. This is throwing off your time constant value.

A suggestion: Consider first the case where the input is simply a unit step and write the expression for the capacitor voltage. Determine its value at time t = 100 ms. So, what are the then-current conditions of the circuit at t = 100+ ms?
 
Is it okay to essentially treat it as if it was not a step function, solve it as such, and then at the end tweak the answer to include the time shift by subtracting the time (in this case 100ms)?
 
Maylis said:
Is it okay to essentially treat it as if it was not a step function, solve it as such, and then at the end tweak the answer to include the time shift by subtracting the time (in this case 100ms)?

I don't know how you could treat it as not being a step function initially. It clearly is. The applied voltage is said to be a rectangular pulse, so the initial transition is from 0V to 12V, the leading edge of a suitably scaled unit step.

An approach is to break the circuit activity into easily understood sections. First the input transitions from 0V to 12V. That invokes a certain behavior in terms of the capacitor voltage, at least for the ensuing 100 ms; it's charging from 0V towards a final value determined by the resistor network surrounding the capactitor. But at the end of 100 ms the input voltage drops from 12V to 0V, curtailing the charging process. So you have the capacitor with whatever voltage it had at that instant now discharging towards 0V.

So the capacitor will initially charge from an initial voltage of 0V towards some eventual peak. Before it gets there, at 100 ms the input changes to 0V so the capacitor now wants to discharge from whatever voltage it had attained at 100ms back down to 0V. So, sort of a sawtooth shape for the overall curve. You should be able to sketch the curve for both intervals, and calculate the voltage on the capacitor for t = 100 ms when the change between charging and discharging occurs.
 
Okay, here is my 2nd attempt. I tried to follow your directions..hopefully I succeeded
 

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Okay, that's a pretty good attempt! You've found the two "sections" of the response that are associated with the pulse rising and falling edges:

1) ##6 (1 - e^{-t/\tau})##
2) ##5.35e^{-(t - 100ms)/\tau}##

The only problem is that you need to add some mathematical "switches" to turn on and off their contributions to the overall function over the appropriate spans of t. For that the unit step function u(t) comes in handy... See what you can devise.
 
Okay, a little caveat. He said that we will not be using the u(t) function. Is there a way to do it without including it?
 
Maylis said:
Okay, a little caveat. He said that we will not be using the u(t) function. Is there a way to do it without including it?

Well, you could write it as you would a mathematical function comprised of separate pieces:

$$
V_C(t) =
\begin{cases}
\text{0 V}, & \text{for } t \leq 0 \\
\text{<first part>}, & \text{for } 0 < t \leq 100 ms \\
\text{<second part>}, & \text{for } t > 100 ms
\end{cases}
$$
Fill in the appropriate expressions for <first part> and <second part> :smile:
 
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