Reaction Rate: Calculations & Limitations

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of reaction rates in particle physics, specifically examining the equation R = N * σ * Φ and its limitations. Participants explore the implications of varying target density (N) and the behavior of incident particle beams in relation to reaction rates, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of the topic.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation for reaction rate and suggests that increasing target density (N) could lead to reaction rates exceeding the number of incident particles, raising questions about the limitations of this assumption.
  • Another participant counters that increasing N too much would prevent the incident particle beam from fully penetrating the target, resulting in regions of lower flux.
  • A further response emphasizes that the initial equation holds true only for thin targets, noting that beyond a certain thickness, the flux will experience exponential attenuation as it penetrates the material.
  • One participant proposes that even with reduced penetration, the reaction rate could still be approximated as proportional to both the incident particles and target density.
  • A later reply introduces a differential equation approach to describe the change in flux with respect to target density and thickness, providing a mathematical framework for understanding the interaction probability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of increasing target density on reaction rates, with some asserting that it leads to limitations in flux penetration while others propose alternative interpretations. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the relationship between target density and reaction rates.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to assumptions about target thickness and the behavior of particle beams, as well as the dependence on specific definitions of terms used in the equations presented.

Nguyen Ngoc Anh
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Dear all,

As we know, the reaction rate can be calculated as following:

R = N * σ * Φ (1)

Where R is reaction rate (events/s/cm3)
σ is cross section (cm2)
Φ is flux of incident particle beam (particles/s/cm2
N is density of target (atoms/cm3)

Logically, there is a limitation of R, because R cannot larger than the number of incident particles. But as equation (1), if Φ is constant, that means the number of incident particles is unchanged, and N increases, R will increase without any limitation. So if N is big enough, R will pass the limit that I talked above.

I hope that you can understand my idea well, because, my English is so bad.

Thank you very much,
 
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If you increase N too much, the incident particle beam won't penetrate the whole target, so you get regions with lower flux.
 
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mfb said:
If you increase N too much, the incident particle beam won't penetrate the whole target, so you get regions with lower flux.
To expand on this, what you have given in post #1 is true only as long as the target can be considered thin. When this is no longer the case, you will get an exponential attenuation of the flux as it penetrates into the target material.
 
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mfb said:
If you increase N too much, the incident particle beam won't penetrate the whole target, so you get regions with lower flux.
I thought about it. But we can think as following:

You have a target of mass m, therefore N atoms. You have I particles come to the target. In this case, R ~ I and N, so if you increase N, R increase, even if particle can not penetrate the whole target.
 
Orodruin said:
To expand on this, what you have given in post #1 is true only as long as the target can be considered thin. When this is no longer the case, you will get an exponential attenuation of the flux as it penetrates into the target material.
That's clever, could you please send me a reference with detailed formula?

I'm so sorry for my all stupid questions.

Thank you,
 
You have to look at a differential equation for the flux. Looking at a target with number density ##n## and cross section per target ##\sigma##, the probability of a given particle interacting in a thin layer of thickness ##dx## is given by ##p = \sigma n \, dx## and the change in the flux over the this distance is therefore
$$
d\Phi = - \Phi \sigma n \, dx \quad \Longrightarrow \quad \frac{d\Phi}{dx} = - n \sigma \Phi.
$$
Solving this differential equation for constant ##n## and ##\sigma## gives
$$
\Phi = \Phi_0 e^{-n\sigma x},
$$
where ##\Phi_0## is the flux at ##x = 0##.
 
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