Can you be specific? You do realize drugs can have side effects? Ever been to the chemist picked up a prescription and read the list of potential side effects in the literature?b.shahvir said:
Already known is that not everyone reacts the same. I know personally three people who've been fully vaccinated. No reactions. A few others (I do not know them - yet) maybe some reactions. Some source may have statistics on the vaccination reactions to show us.b.shahvir said:
Interesting question, and we should do this reading every time we have a vaccination, but so many of us simply do not. I routinely have had flu vaccination, annually, and almost never had any side effects. One day I received an additional vaccination for a very different disease, and figured nothing would happen (like as no side effects), but several hours later upon having chills and fever, I thought maybe I should read what that literature the pharmacist gave me has to say.pinball1970 said:
It's how vaccine development works. From basic statistics, infrequent complications can not be picked up by testing in normal numbers. Vaccine developers did normal stage 3 testing of about 30,000. It is usually handled after normal testing by those most at risk being the first to get it. Then once more have used it, more is given the vaccine and so on. We only picked up the current rare problems when millions of doses were given. The chance of dying is about the same as dying while driving to get the vaccine. We know the vaccine is the only way out, so people must have the option to use it. When you have a pandemic like this, people are only too happy to be in the initial group on a risk vs reward basis. It has happened before with the 1976 flu vaccine:b.shahvir said:
One thing that impressed me before both jabs was that the side effects were spelled out. This included the risk of clotting by staff when I was registering and again by the nurse when I was having the jab.symbolipoint said:
The stage 3 testing numbers were pretty normal. I will not go into what was done more quickly, but it was of no issue as far as public safety is concerned - the safety of those participating in trials was maybe higher, but they were all volunteers. After that, it goes into stage 4, where it is approved for normal use, but usually, only a small number of high-risk people take up the offer (those in nursing homes etc., where the death rate was horrendous). More people would have had the vaccine, so even more confidence is gained. The issue was before people found the infrequent side effects, tons wanted it. It is their choice - we live in a free society. But really, unless in the high-risk group, they should have waited a little bit. In fact, here in Aus, that is how they planned it, and as more used it, infrequent side effects emerged. Then people overreacted. Although the risk of death is about the same as the risk of dying while driving to get the vaccine, many people are scared. The real issue is people need a better understanding of risk vs reward.b.shahvir said:
More like we’re in a pandemic and desperate times call for desperate measures.EDIT - oh yeah, those of us who waited a few months got to see a bunch more human testing than presumably is done before approval, utilizing our fellow humans getting the vaccines as soon as they were available as trail subjects.b.shahvir said:
Plenty of threads on here regarding the vaccines. Search, Covid 19, Covid vaccines.b.shahvir said:
I don't know what happened in the US, but in the UK and Australia, that is the way the government designed its rollout. First, the very high-risk age care facilities, the frontline workers and so on. The UK seemed to pull it off, but in Aus, it totally fizzled - even now, some disability and front care workers are not vaccinated. We are recovering from our blunders, and I think we will be finished by years end. However, they discovered infrequent problems with our main vaccine, AZ. The Pfizer was meant for aged care, front line workers etc. because it only had three weeks between first and second shots. That means front line workers can return to duties quicker, and aged care residents can have family etc, visit them sooner - they have had it hard as far as visits go. People, however, have overreacted to the dangers of AZ and are demanding Pfizer. The government has not told the public exactly how much Pfizer it has, so nobody really knows if people can be given a choice. Yet everyone says people should be given a choice. It has become a bit irrational, really. I got the AZ without a second thought. Nobody worries about getting into their car and going to the shops, so why worry about the vaccine. But many do.Grasshopper said:
Tom.G said:
I've had brittle toe nails, but not fingernails. It could be diet and dehydration, possibly in conjunction with other effects related to aging, or just lack of moisture.Tom.G said:
https://www.aocd.org/page/BrittleSplittingNail
Have you consulted a doctor about any of that?Tom.G said:
Yeah, have you consulted a doctor about any of those? Are they listed as known side effects anywhere?artis said:
I feel like the golden path can be found by comparing death rates, which overwhelmingly favor getting vaccinated.artis said:
Sure, but do you think that matters to the tens of millions of Americans who are not vaccinated and are not going to get vaccinated?Grasshopper said:
(What follows disregards those with health issues that, according to the medical mainstream, makes them unsuitable for vaccines)Probably not. At the risk of getting banned, there doesn’t seem to be much that can be done to convince the under 100 IQ portion of the population, or those who filter out mainstream science for some illogical contrarian disposition that compels them to always look for the “alternative” answer.phinds said:
This can be like, "Do you want to be vaccinated and risk getting sick, or do you want to go unvaccinated and risk getting badly sick and dying?Grasshopper said:
Speaking of Covid vaccination side effects ...russ_watters said: