Redundant cross product removed from Maxwell equation?

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The discussion centers on the rationale behind the removal of the cross product of velocity and magnetic field intensity from Maxwell's equations, specifically regarding the electric field intensity. It highlights that Maxwell's original formulation included this term, but later interpretations by Gibbs and Heaviside deemed it redundant, possibly because the potential already encapsulates changes in the magnetic field. The conversation touches on Maxwell's use of the term electromotive force and his conceptualization of electric charge, which differs from modern definitions. Participants express confusion over interpreting Maxwell's original thoughts due to outdated notation and prevailing paradigms of his time. Further study into Maxwell's work is suggested to clarify these interpretations.
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I'm trying to track down the rationale for removing the cross product of velocity and magnetic field intensity from Maxwell's equation which specifies the value of the electric field intensity. In the third edition of "A Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism" Maxwell specifies (in modern terminology) that E = cross product of velocity and B minus the derivative with respect to time of the vector potential minus the gradiant of the scalar potential.

Was the assumption that the potential already contains the changing value of the magnetic field so that the cross product is redundant? It seems that Maxwell was second-guessed when Gibbs and Heaviside developed the modern variant of the equations.
 
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The equation intended by Maxwell is: E= v x B - dA/dt - \nabla \phi
 
I think you're referring to the Lorentz force equation, where q=1C:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force

If Wikipedia is to be believed, this paragraph addresses your concerns:
[PLAIN]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force said:
Although[/PLAIN] this equation is obviously a direct precursor of the modern Lorentz force equation, it actually differs in two respects:

It does not contain a factor of q, the charge. Maxwell didn't use the concept of charge. The definition of E used here by Maxwell is unclear. He uses the term electromotive force. He operated from Faraday's electro-tonic state A,[6] which he considered to be a momentum in his vortex sea. The closest term that we can trace to electric charge in Maxwell's papers is the density of free electricity, which appears to refer to the density of the aethereal medium of his molecular vortices and that gives rise to the momentum A. Maxwell believed that A was a fundamental quantity from which electromotive force can be derived.[7]
 
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Yes, that's exactly what I was referring to. Thanks for the reference.

Maxwell says that the v x B term is only needed when the particle is moving in a magnetic field. Otherwise the equation is the same as the modern equation for the E field defined with respect to the potentials I believe. Seems to be a mystery how to interpret what Maxwell was thinking and further study seems warranted.
 
This is a good reason why I don't bother reading original papers. Apart from the fact that their notation is outdated, the authors are often wedded to the the prevailing paradigms of their time, which may end up confusing the reader.
 
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