Regular Values (Introduction to Smooth Manifolds)

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The discussion revolves around the map \(\Phi : \mathbb{R}^4 \rightarrow \mathbb{R}^2\) defined by \(\Phi (x,y,s,t)=(x^2+y, yx^2+y^2+s^2+t^2+y)\). Participants are tasked with demonstrating that (0,1) is a regular value of \(\Phi\) and that the level set \(\Phi^{-1}(0,1)\) is diffeomorphic to the unit sphere \(S^2\).

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  • Participants discuss the Jacobian \(D\Phi\) and its implications for regular values and smooth submersions. There is confusion regarding the evaluation of \(D\Phi\) at specific points and its rank. Some participants question the definition of regular points and the conditions under which \(D\Phi\) is surjective.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the conditions under which the Jacobian has rank 2 and how this relates to the regularity of the point (0,1). Some participants have reached a clearer understanding of the Jacobian's evaluation, while others continue to seek clarification on specific cases and implications for the diffeomorphism to \(S^2\).

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the pre-image of (0,1) under \(\Phi\) is a subset of \(\mathbb{R}^4\) and discuss the implications of specific values for \(x\), \(y\), \(s\), and \(t\) in determining the rank of the Jacobian. There is an acknowledgment of the importance of avoiding edits to previous posts after receiving replies.

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Homework Statement


Consider the map \Phi : ℝ4 \rightarrow ℝ2

defined by \Phi (x,y,s,t)=(x2+y, yx2+y2+s2+t2+y)

show that (0,1) is a regular value of \Phi and that the level set \Phi^{-1} is diffeomorphic to S2 (unit sphere)

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The Attempt at a Solution



So I have the Jacobian

D\Phi = [2x 2y 0 0; 2x 2y+1 2s 2t]

the reduced row echelon form of D\Phi is a rank 2 matrix which implies that F is a smooth submersion.

So I guess I'm a little confused on the definition: Let M and N be smooth manifolds

If F:M→N is smooth and let p \in M, then p is a regular point if D\Phi at p is onto.

D\Phi is a rank 2 matrix which implies that D\Phi is onto right?

Another question that I have is that the pre-image of (0,1) under \Phi is a subset of ℝ4 any hints on the diffeomorphism part?
 
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BrainHurts said:

Homework Statement


Consider the map \Phi : ℝ4 \rightarrow ℝ2

defined by \Phi (x,y,s,t)=(x2+y, yx2+y2+s2+t2+y)

show that (0,1) is a regular value of \Phi and that the level set \Phi^{-1} is diffeomorphic to S2 (unit sphere)

Homework Equations






The Attempt at a Solution



So I have the Jacobian

D\Phi = [2x 2y 0 0; 2x 2y+1 2s 2t]

I don't get the same Jacobian

the reduced row echelon form of D\Phi is a rank 2 matrix which implies that F is a smooth submersion.

But ##D\Phi## is not a matrix at all. You should evaluate it in different points. You should ask for which ##(x,y,s,t)## that ##D\Phi_{(x,y,s,t)}## is surjective. This is not true for all ##(x,y,s,t)##. For example ##(0,0,0,0)##.

So I guess I'm a little confused on the definition: Let M and N be smooth manifolds

If F:M→N is smooth and let p \in M, then p is a regular point if D\Phi at p is onto.

D\Phi is a rank 2 matrix which implies that D\Phi is onto right?

Another question that I have is that the pre-image of (0,1) under \Phi is a subset of ℝ4 any hints on the diffeomorphism part?
 
Shoot!
\Phi(x,y,s,t) = (x2+y, x2+y2+s2+t2+y)

D\Phi = [2x 1 0 0; 2x 2y+1 2s 2t]

How is D\Phi not a matrix? I'm confused on that?

I'm going to switch notation up a bit

If we have a smooth map F: M → N and let p \in M, then p is a regular point if

TpF is onto. In this case TpF is the total derivative which we used D\Phi.

TpF : TpM → TF(p)N

However I do see your point about D\Phi(0,0,0,0), we would have a rank 1 matrix in that case.
 
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BrainHurts said:
Shoot!

D\Phi = [2x 1 0 0; 2x 2y+1 2s 2t]

I still don't agree.

How is D\Phi not a matrix? I'm confused on that?

It's not a matrix in the sense that it depends on specific values of ##(x,y,s,t)##. If you're given specific values, then it is a matrix.

I'm going to switch notation up a bit

If we have a smooth map F: M → N and let p \in M, then p is a regular point if

TpF is onto. In this case TpF is the total derivative which we used D\Phi.

TpF : TpM → TF(p)N

However I do see your point about D\Phi(0,0,0,0), we would have a rank 1 matrix in that case.

Can you classify all points such that ##D\Phi_{(x,y,s,t)}## is surjective?
 
sorry my equation was wrong
 
BrainHurts said:
sorry my equation was wrong

OK, I agree with the Jacobian now. But please don't edit any posts after you already received a reply. Just reply with the correct equation.

So, can you now figure out for which ##(x,y,s,t)## that your Jacobian has rank 2?
 
First sorry about that reply thing, I realized that once I made the edit, thought about re-editing so that I made my mistake, but then that's just too many re-edits, in any case I won't make that mistake again!

so the point (0,1), the pre-image of (0,1) under \Phi is a subset of ℝ4

so we will look at the specific case:

(x2+y,x2+y2+s2+t2+y) = (0,1)

this means that

x2+y = 0

and that x2+y2+s2+t2+y = 1

this reduces the second component to

y2+s2+t2 = 1 (which is nice sine S2 : y2+s2+t2)

\Phi^{-1}(0,1) = {(x,y,s,t)|(x2+y=0 and y2+s2+t2 = 1}

so for all (a,b,c,d) \in \Phi^{-1}(0,1)

we have D\Phi(a,-a2,c,d) is a rank 2 matrix

I think that's good now right?
 
BrainHurts said:
First sorry about that reply thing, I realized that once I made the edit, thought about re-editing so that I made my mistake, but then that's just too many re-edits, in any case I won't make that mistake again!

so the point (0,1), the pre-image of (0,1) under \Phi is a subset of ℝ4

so we will look at the specific case:

(x2+y,x2+y2+s2+t2+y) = (0,1)

this means that

x2+y = 0

and that x2+y2+s2+t2+y = 1

this reduces the second component to

y2+s2+t2 = 1 (which is nice sine S2 : y2+s2+t2)

\Phi^{-1}(0,1) = {(x,y,s,t)|(x2+y=0 and y2+s2+t2 = 1}

so for all (a,b,c,d) \in \Phi^{-1}(0,1)

we have D\Phi(a,-a2,c,d) is a rank 2 matrix

I think that's good now right?

If it's clear to you why ##D\Phi(a,-a^2,c,d)## has rank 2, then it's good.
 
for all p \in \Phi^{-1}(0,1), p is a regular point, and it follows that (0,1) is a regular value. Thanks so much! That really helped a lot. I think I have the second part.
 

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