Relating pressure and height in a container

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between pressure and height in a liquid-filled container, focusing on the equilibrium of a thin horizontal layer of liquid. Participants are analyzing the forces acting on this layer and how they relate to pressure changes.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to set up a force balance equation for a thin layer of liquid, questioning the correct expressions for upward and downward forces, as well as the weight of the liquid layer. There is discussion about the presence of variables in the equations and the implications of equilibrium conditions.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing clarification regarding the setup of the force equation, with some participants correcting each other on the terms used. While there are attempts to derive an expression for pressure changes, inconsistencies in the equations have been noted, indicating that the discussion is still active and exploratory.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the system is in equilibrium and are addressing potential errors in their mathematical setup. There is a focus on ensuring that all terms are correctly accounted for in the force balance.

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1. A container of uniform cross-sectional area A is filled with liquid of uniform density rho. Consider a thin horizontal layer of liquid (thickness dy) at a height y as measured from the bottom of the container. Let the pressure exerted upward on the bottom of the layer be p and the pressure exerted downward on the top be p+dp. Assume throughout the problem that the system is in equilibrium (the container has not been recently shaken or moved, etc.).

Since the liquid is in equilibrium, the net force on the thin layer of liquid is zero. Complete the force equation for the sum of the vertical forces acting on the liquid layer described in the problem introduction.




2. 0 = sum of forces in y direction



3. Ok, I know that F_up = pA
F_down = A(p + dp)
weight of the thin layer = pAg dy

So I did:

pA - A(p+dp) - pAgdy = -Ap(d + dyg) = 0

And it's telling me that the answer does not depend on d.
 
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Linus Pauling said:
3. Ok, I know that F_up = pA
F_down = A(p + dp)
OK.
weight of the thin layer = pAg dy
Do you mean: rho*Ag dy ?

When you set up your equation, you won't have a 'd' by itself.
 
Doc Al said:
OK.

Do you mean: rho*Ag dy ?

When you set up your equation, you won't have a 'd' by itself.


My bad, yes it's rho*Ag dy

Thus:

F = F_up - F_down - rho*Agdy
= pA - A(p + dp) - g*rho*A dy
= -dp - g*rho*A dy

which is incorrect
 
Linus Pauling said:
F = F_up - F_down - rho*Agdy
= pA - A(p + dp) - g*rho*A dy
= -dp - g*rho*A dy
Redo the last step--you dropped an A.
 

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