Relation between phase velocity and group velocity

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The discussion centers on the mathematical relationship between phase velocity and group velocity in wave mechanics. It is clarified that while group velocity can be related to the derivative of phase velocity with respect to wave number (k) or wavelength (λ), it is not simply equal to this derivative. The participants emphasize the need for a precise mathematical formulation rather than relying on definitions alone. There is a suggestion to explore direct calculations to uncover the relationship. The conversation highlights the complexity of understanding how these two velocities interact in wave phenomena.
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I know the physical meaning of phase as well as the group velocity.

I want to know the mathematical relationship between the phase velocity and group velocity.

Thanks a lot.
 
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If you know the definitions, you can easily find a relationship.
 
nasu said:
If you know the definitions, you can easily find a relationship.

It looks as if the group velocity is the derivative of phase velocity but I don't think I am correct.

What's the exact relationship?

Thanks a lot.
 
iVenky said:
It looks as if the group velocity is the derivative of phase velocity but I don't think I am correct.
The group velocity can be related to the derivative of phase velocity (in respect to k or λ
). It is not just equal to the derivative, it won't even make sens dimensionally. What relationship did you find?
 
nasu said:
The group velocity can be related to the derivative of phase velocity (in respect to k or λ
). It is not just equal to the derivative, it won't even make sens dimensionally. What relationship did you find?

Could not find anything.
 
iVenky said:
Could not find anything.
I did not mean to look it up but to find it by direct calculation.
 
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