Relationship between hyperbolic arctan and logarithm

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the hyperbolic arctangent function (arctanh) and logarithms, particularly focusing on the implications of using complex logarithms when the input exceeds the typical domain of the function.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between arctanh and logarithmic expressions, questioning the validity of applying logarithmic laws when dealing with complex numbers. There is an attempt to generalize the behavior of arctanh for values less than and greater than 1.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of complex logarithms and their multivalued nature, suggesting that this affects the interpretation of the logarithmic expressions involved. There is an acknowledgment of different solutions arising from the manipulation of logarithmic identities.

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Participants are discussing the implications of using arctanh for values outside the conventional range, leading to complex results. The conversation reflects on the assumptions made regarding the logarithmic properties in these contexts.

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The relationship between arctanh and log is:

arctanh(x)=\frac{1}{2}log(\frac{1+x}{1-x})
but if i take x=1.5,
I have:
arctanh(1.5)=0.8047 + 1.5708i
and
\frac{1}{2}log(\frac{1+1.5}{1-1.5})=0.8047 + 1.5708i
as expected, but using the laws of logarithm, why does this not equal to:
(\frac{1}{2})\frac{1}{2}log((\frac{1+1.5}{1-1.5})^2)=0.8047
?

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Thank you in advance
 
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Hi sara_87! :smile:

You have applied the log to a negative number yielding a complex number.
So implicitly you have used the complex logarithm instead of the regular logarithm.

The complex logarithm happens to be a multivalued function:
\log re^{i\phi} = \log r + i (\phi + 2k\pi)

This means you have to consider the other solutions.
By taking the square you introduce a new solution.

In your example there is another solution, which is the right one:
(\frac{1}{2})\frac{1}{2}log((\frac{1+1.5}{1-1.5})^2) = (\frac{1}{2})\frac{1}{2}(\log 25 + i 2\pi)=\frac{1}{2}\log 5 + i \frac \pi 2
 
thank you :)

so, in general, can i say that if x is less than 1,

arctanh(x)=\frac{1}{2}*log(\frac{1+x}{1-x})=\frac{1}{2}*\frac{1}{2}log((\frac{1+x}{1-x})^2)

if x is more than 1, then

arctanh(x)=\frac{1}{2}*log(\frac{1+x}{1-x})=\frac{1}{2}*\frac{1}{2}log((\frac{1+x}{1-x})^2)+i*pi/2
 
Yes.
 
Thanks again :)
 

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