Relationship between Velocity, Kinetic Energy, and Heat

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between velocity, kinetic energy, and heat generation, particularly in the context of simulating high velocity in a closed system. Participants explore whether kinetic energy can be translated into heat without actual motion, and the implications of compressing objects in this scenario.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about simulating high velocity through applied forces and whether this would generate heat, seeking relevant equations.
  • Another participant clarifies that heat generation from motion is contingent on friction, particularly in atmospheric conditions.
  • A participant expresses interest in simulating kinetic energy without actual movement, questioning how to translate kinetic energy into heat generation.
  • Some participants suggest that compressing an object only simulates a part of the motion dynamics and may not fully represent the heat generation process.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the closed system and whether internal heat generation occurs solely due to kinetic energy without external interaction.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about the potential for temperature rise due to high velocity and kinetic energy, indicating uncertainty about the relationship.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of relative motion, noting that even standing still involves movement through space due to the solar system's motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether kinetic energy can generate heat in a closed system without motion. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the effects of compression and the conditions under which heat is generated.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about the nature of motion, the role of friction, and the specifics of the closed system being discussed. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the implications of kinetic energy on heat generation.

Awilson012
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Hi all,
I'm new here.
I am curious to know if I could simulate high velocity on an object by applying the forces (compression) to it that it would experience at those high velocities.

Also, I'm curious to know if this high velocity (Kinetic Energy) would generate heat, and if so, what's the equation?

Thanks a lot! Looking forward to a discussion on this topic!

Awilson012
 
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I assume you are referring to a high speed object traveling through the atmosphere? Otherwise your question makes no sense, as an object traveling in a vacuum does not experience friction and will not increase in temperature just because it is moving.
 
Yes, the object would be moving through the atmosphere. Sorry for the lack of clarity. I guess what I'm looking for is a way to simulate kinetic energy without having the object move, like a lab test/model/simulation (I know KE requires velocity, as 1/2mv2).

So what you are saying is, heat will only be generated by the friction forces? How could I translate motion (KE) into heat generation (if that's even possible)?
 
Other than making the object move through the air, or the air move over the object, I don't know. I'm sure you can simulate it, but I do not have any experience in that area.
 
Also, I'm not clear on why you think compressing an object would simulate motion.
 
well by compressing it you would only simulate one part of what happens when the object is in motion through a medium like atmosphere.compressing things especially liquids and gases does increase their temperature bt it's not the whole picture , by compressing what you want to compress you would only get one little aspect of what your after.

Maybe you need to explain what exactly is that which you want to simulate? A rock faling through air towards Earth like a meteoryte ? a metal ball falling from a plane ? what is that you want to know out of your test?
Or maybe you want to simulate the pressure on the traveling object by just pressing on it with the same force?
 
Basically I want to simulate a closed system that is completely insulated (no heat would come from the atmosphere). If this object is moving super fast, would any heat generate internally because of the kinetic energy of the entire closed system?
 
Awilson012 said:
Basically I want to simulate a closed system that is completely insulated (no heat would come from the atmosphere). If this object is moving super fast, would any heat generate internally because of the kinetic energy of the entire closed system?
Are you thinking that just because something is moving fast that it will somehow 'heat up'? (Apart from interaction and collision with other things, such as the atmosphere.)
 
Yeah, I was just curious if the high velocity and KE would cause a temperature rise. Guess I was wrong, thanks everybody for the help!
 
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How fast are you moving while standing still?

The solar system is revolving around the centre of the Milky Way at 568,000 m.p.h.
 
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Valid point CWatters, I never even thought of that. That was really helpful.
 

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