Relationship of Young's modulus and impulse force

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between Young's modulus and impulse force in the context of a spring system. The original poster questions whether a relationship can be established given certain parameters, including mass, modulus of elasticity, natural length, impulse, reaction time, and displacement.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the necessity of cross-sectional area and spring constant in deriving relationships. There are attempts to clarify the definitions of Young's modulus and its applicability to springs, as well as the implications of impulse force in this context.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the definitions of Young's modulus and its relationship to the spring constant. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions regarding the spring's behavior and the role of cross-sectional area in the equations presented.

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Participants are discussing the distinction between Young's modulus and the elastic modulus in relation to different types of materials and structures, noting that the behavior of coiled springs may differ from that of stretched wires.

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Is that possible to obtain the a relationship between Young's modulus of a spring and impulse force with below information ? I personally think that we cannot if without the given cross-sectional area A and the given spring constant k.

The particle is connect to a elastic spring, then an external impulse force horizontally was added to it.
(Smooth plate)

The given values are :

Particle mass ''m'', spring of modulus of elasticity ''E'', spring's natural length ''L'', received impulse ''J'', impulse reaction time ''t'', displacement ''x''

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The Attempt at a Solution


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F = kx => J/t = (EA/L) * (x)

Looks like the area is an essential value or we cannot express the equation for them.
 
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Howard_SSS said:
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E there is not Young's modulus of a spring. Young's modulus, often written as Y, is related to the spring constant k by Y=kL0.
Howard_SSS said:
F = kx => J/t
Not in this case. J=∫F.dt. You can only simplify that to J=Ft if F is constant.
 
haruspex said:
E there is not Young's modulus of a spring. Young's modulus, often written as Y, is related to the spring constant k by Y=kL0.

Not in this case. J=∫F.dt. You can only simplify that to J=Ft if F is constant.
Thanks for this reminding.

For Y=k*L0, may I know why you can remove the A (cross sectional area) ?
 
Howard_SSS said:
Thanks for this reminding.

For Y=k*L0, may I know why you can remove the A (cross sectional area) ?
EA, where E is the elastic modulus (not Young's modulus) is for a stretched wire. A regular coiled spring works by torsion, not by stretching of the material. Young's modulus is more suitable, and already incorporates the details of the spring structure. It is defined as the force per fractional change in spring length, so Y=kL0.
 
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